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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:53 pm 
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The pump feeding my 4x4 is apparently far too large and is consequently heating the fuel up too quickly. I was thinking of running the smallest Walbro pump I could find, which is a GSL395 (130 lph). I'm getting conflicting data from researching online whether this is a suitable EFI pump or not. Some of the flow graphs I've seen show that it builds fuel pressure lower than required by EEC-IV. Anyone have any experience with one?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:36 am 
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Why do you think the pump is heating up your fuel too much?

We use way larger pumps on our builds all the time and don't have issues.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Fair enough, but the ambient temperatures around here are over 100*F. When relieving the fuel pressure at the rail (schrader valve), the fuel coming out was pretty hot. Regardless, my friend who is a fuel injection engineer happened to be with me and helped me diagnose the issue. The fuel was getting so hot that it was vapor locking the line; the truck eventually stopped running. There was also a substantial amount of pressure built up in the tank itself. I'll be getting a vented gas cap for sure.

The pump still works and the truck still runs, but the pump doesn't sound healthy anymore. I think it was damaged from the vapor lock situation so it needs to be replaced.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:47 pm 
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Thought vapor locking was particular to the suction side of pumps when they installed by the engine. The lower pressure lets the fuel turn to vapor easier. Under higher pressure, it's harder to vapor lock (harder for fuel to vaporize) Are you sure that's what it was?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:15 am 
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Shaker666 wrote:
The pump still works and the truck still runs, but the pump doesn't sound healthy anymore. I think it was damaged from the vapor lock situation so it needs to be replaced.


Understood, I think fixing the tank venting issue will solve the issue more so than anything but if the pump is damaged and needs to be replaced anyway so it is kind of a moot point.

As a note though, I have had cars shut off completely mid pass at the track because the pump couldn't suck against the vacuum in the tank anymore due to lack of vent.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:32 am 
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Yeah, I think it was a combination of bad tank venting and very high ambient temperatures contributing to bad radiant heating of the fuel lines. I'll take a look at the fuel line routing near the engine and try to insulate it somehow.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:45 am 
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Sounds like you have a good all around plan and will get it fixed in no time.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:57 am 
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Thanks, but I'm still unclear about the GSL395 pump. Is it suitable for high pressure EFI or not? I have a spare 255 laying around and then this dying 190... I'm sure it'll work for a little while but don't want to be stranded somewhere because of this issue.

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'08 Buell XB12Ss: stock 10:1 1203, Drummer SS, '10 header, independent O2s, K&N filter, 3 bar MAP, DDFI3 tuned via TunerPro RT


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:08 pm 
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No need re-inventing the wheel here, people use the 255 pump all the time, fix the vent issue, double check your lines aren't routing too close to heat sources, put in the 255, and call it a day.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Yeah, alright... fair enough. Thanks.

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