This is a semi-carry-over from this thread; http://eectuning.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19587

Although it initially seemed as though fuel pressure was the problem such is NOT the case. After dropping fp the ONLY thing correct was the pt conditions so I'm still fighting this rich condition. Today I pulled codes off the car suspecting the maf was in default as it just seems to be running default rich. Well, no maf codes but interestingly enough I had a 41 and 91! How is that possible when OL is being forced? Yes, kams were cleared. One of the things I did over the winter was physically remove the o2 harness since I have always forced OL due to bad logic in the ecm. I have a VERY strong suspicion that this is the cause of the rich condition I can only get rid of by manipulating fp, changes to slopes have minimal if ANY effect.

Now onto the other interesting find this evening. I figured that since I'm forcing OL and have no hegos that I would try telling the eec 0 hegos present. The car would not start, just fire and immediately stall. I put the hegos back to 2 present and it fired and ran just as it was before. Why if I tell it that there are no hegos does it not run even though there are no hegos or harness.

I have a feeling that my tune that worked so well last year was due to the eec pulling a ton of fuel out due to the hegos constantly showing 2.44 volts even though in OL. Now somehow with them not in there I'm guessing (didn't load them to log) that now they are showing a near 0 value telling the eec to richen things up.

What the heck is going on here? Input very much needed before I go nuts and put these non operational 02's back in since at least then it would run right.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

how are u forcing open loop ?

numego is bank assignment, you would need to set the injector output ports to all 0 as well

_________________
http://www.efidynotuning.com/ford/

Z_OLSW Force Continuous Open Loop. Obviously to go in and alter the HEGOS Present I have to put it into allow CL so it does hide all the associated pid's, then I put it back to FOL. Numego is where I am telling it 0 Hegos and it won't run when I do that, enlighten me on injector output ports please.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Have you confirmed that the tune you are commanding is the tune being served to the EEC? If not, you should do that.

_________________
...Always Somethin'

89 Ranger Supercab, 331 w/GT40p heads, ported Explorer lower, Crane Powermax 2020 cam, 1.6RRs, FMS Explorer (GT40p) headers, Slot Style MAF, aftermarket T5 'Z-Spec', 8.8" rear w/3.27s, Powertrax Locker, Innovate LC-1, GUFB, Moates QuarterHorse tuned using BE&EA

Member V8-Ranger.com

Yes, tune 2 is being logged and tune 2 is what I wrote to. It doesn't make a difference if I clear the memory and write it to all 8 banks, it still runs like poo. I also killed my theory of the o2's seeing near 0 as they are still showing 2.4x volts at all times. I'll try to attach my log for this morning, I'll warn you, it's a basket case, and I still haven't wired in my wb to log with it yet. Don't mind the mph, I didn't have the correct drive gear for the trans so it's a little off. I know something is screwy as my tq #'s are WAY off, hp could be somewhat close as last year before the changes it put 317 to the wheels so?? Something is definitely askew though.

I'm just having a hard time accepting that it is tripping o2 codes when I'm forcing OL still. And add to that that it is lean condition and it makes sense why it's going so rich even though it shouldn't be taking those into consideration.

Hopefully something in the log throws up a red flag for someone.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

injector output port its a 1 row table, that has to be adjusted with the numego scalar

_________________
http://www.efidynotuning.com/ford/

Ok, I saw that but don't understand what I would need to do there as if I change that then it also effects several other things if I am reading correctly. I see it is associated by a scalar to the numego but don't know what to do with it.

I guess do I really need to mess with this to tell the eec NOT to look at and make adaptive changes to fueling based on o2 input from o2s that aren't even there anymore? From what I can tell, no, but from how it is acting for whatever reason, yes???? I have adaptives disabled also.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Finally found something that makes a difference in the tune without manipulating fuel control! I am now in the mid to upper 13's at cruise and going through the gears vs 12.5:1, it may not be perfection but it's a heck of alot closer than I've been able to get thus far and I didn't have to make changes to things I KNOW I shouldn't need to. I still can't figure out why I need to do this just to make it not compensate for something that isn't there but....mind you, forced ol and adaptives ARE disabled yet these changes made a difference.
Here are my changes that actually worked today;

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Have you cleared the kamrfs?

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

Yes'sir

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

so your lambses and kamrf are locked to 1.00? According to some a WB is not really good at targeting stoich for cruise conditions..

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

My lambses depend upon temp of engine and where in the load I am, whatever I have in my base ol table is what it's targetting. My kams have never moved being locked in forced ol. I do have a wb, just not set up to log it. I look at that, look at what I'm commanding and anytime I'm up to temp and not at wot I'm tagetting 14.7 and expect to see damn close to that on the wb, when I go to wot I command 12.69 and expect to see that on the wb Least that's the way it worked last year! It's getting closer, now at least I have control other than by just adjusting fp. Now it's time to dial it in again. I would say that my eec is screwed and that the bad o2 logic has more of an effect than originally thought but if I can lock out adaptives in this fashion, works for me as long as I can get it to run like it did before removing the harness and sensors.

Whoa, you edited yours while I was typing! I would say I don't agree with those people about using a wb at cruise, now at idle, no, I don't trust it. If you can't trust a wb at cruise then how do the newer cars use just those for fuel control?

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Which WB are you using? If you cruise over to the faq section you will find a write up or two on how to install and log the WB with BE.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

Oh yea, I must have printed that off a few dozen times already, even told myself that it was going to happen over the winter. You see how that worked out.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

Newer cars using them instead of traditional HEGOs don't have radical cams. WBs are quite reliable on mild cams at idle, cruise, and WOT. With my weak stock Explorer cam, the WB is quite reliable at reporting rich/lean conditions near or far from stoic. If I feel the engine running a tad lean, I can expect to see lean on the WB. If the idle hunts rich, I can expect the WB to report that the mix is well below .90 lambda...usually in the mid to low .8s. When I'm idling in warm Closed Loop, the WB is consistently between .98-1.02 lambda range.

It's not until you get into high output heavy overlap cams that the WB may fib to you. And with today's new-car technology, they still don't have to worry much about that thanks to Variable Valve/Cam Timing. With VVT, they can get a nice fuel conservative & smooth cam setup for idle and cruise, but retime the cams for high RPM WOT to get performance.

_________________
...Always Somethin'

89 Ranger Supercab, 331 w/GT40p heads, ported Explorer lower, Crane Powermax 2020 cam, 1.6RRs, FMS Explorer (GT40p) headers, Slot Style MAF, aftermarket T5 'Z-Spec', 8.8" rear w/3.27s, Powertrax Locker, Innovate LC-1, GUFB, Moates QuarterHorse tuned using BE&EA

Member V8-Ranger.com

1st let me just make it clear, I do believe in WB for cruise and wot, pretty much exactly what you stated is how I would pick my wording if I had to!

2nd, let me say......I'm a big dork, as my wife would put it Since my old laptop didn't have the required serial port I didn't even think about checking this new one so I could actually log my wb. Turns out, it's got it and I just logged my first log with afr's in it! Man how this would have come in handy A LONG time ago! I'm not going to publish this just out of pure embarrassment since it is an infant tune, but I will say, my how it is coming along now that I got it to quit using false adaptives and o2 data. Couple more days now and should be darn close. Be back to the track updating that best in the sig soon hopefully!

Thanks all!

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Is what your logging afr wise the same as what the gauge is saying? Keep us posted..

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

After looking at the screencap here I couldnt help but to look into it further. If you truly had adaptive disabled you should have not been able to see those scalers. What version of BE are you using? We need to dive into this a little deeper because you should not have had to touch those scalers or even had them visible for that matter. Doesnt seem like you had z_adpsw disabled since you are able to se those scalers.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

It does seem like it's capturing quite a bit more lean than what I'm seeing on the gauge. I had to put a "quick" transfer table into BE when I config'd the wb as I didn't have time to look up the correct one. I just went into my logworks and it gives me 5v=22.39 and 0v=7.35 so I used those known values and divided to come up with a difference of 2.506v in between each row. So I ended up with the row above 7.35 ending up to = 9.956v and just worked my way up from there, so I'm not sure if that is correct or not since the default transfer in BE is a bit different. I did try to log it this morning on the way in so I could get more data and more of a chance to see where the gauge was reading and it would have been great since it is awfully close to matching lambse. Only problem is that when I started logging for some reason it wasn't picking up my afr now I guess I need to have logworks running and connected through there? Anyway, here is a quick chart from yesterdays 1st time logging afr, notice it shows awfully lean at WOT especially and it wasn't that far off on the gauge otherwise I would have not run it up, so looks like there is work to do getting it to agree. Even the cruise is about a point higher from observed this morning.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Now onto this, I was wondering who was going to call me out on that one It was in fact hidden when I open my tune, I had to go in and enable adaptives, make those changes, save, then go in and disable adaptives, save, and whala! Had to do the same for the OL changes. Remember I was desperate to find ways to make sure this thing wasn't contributing fuel where it shouldn't be since I was already disabling them but it was still acting like it was active.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Ok, as I have more of a chance to delve into this further, here is a blip from a wot where I wasn't going through the gears and this represents alot closer to what I was seeing on the gauge, still lean for wot but quite a bit closer. This was taken from a different point in the same log.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Just use the 2 point for your afr xfer- 0volt = 7.35 and 5volt= 22.39 and your done. No need to have the voltage point in the middle. I thought the resolution was neccessarry back when I got into deciphering the equations but have come to realize its not needed.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

Oh, good deal, I'll give it a shot. Now, since when I tried to log it this morning and it didn't register on the dashboard, do I have to connect through logworks first? Since I had to get on my way to work I didn't have time to investigate why, just knew I didn't have time to dink with it unfortunately.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

You may need to have the afr portion registered or opened by Clint. I am not sure if you are trying to log through BE or just logworks. Make sure you have the correct driver from logworks installed on your machine.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

I'm legit through Clint. I'm going directly into BE, it shows up right in my dl but I don't see a way to flag it as a p/l. I'm using it through my com port. May have just been coincidental yesterday when I logged it that I just happen to have logworks open. I'll have more time this eve to figure it out.

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Hmmm...I am not sure myself since i log through the evp port. I would contact Clint or maybe CGREY8 knows a way.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

I am bringing this back because I am having a similar issue now. I still have the o2's and harness connected in the car but I disconnected the relay under the hood on the passenger side fender apron where the stock maf used to be. I am getting a check engine light even though adaptives are disabled and I am forced o/l. I am wonder ing if I should reconnect the relay and disconnect the sensors from the harness or just leave everything connected and keep adaptives disabled and forced o/l. I am gonna try the changes you made here to your scalers and see how she acts.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA

Most interesting! Let me know how it works, if it doesn't work out I'll go through and compare all of my trial tunes and figure out if that wasn't in fact where it fixed it. On a similar note though, I would say she's damn near there, just need to figure out warm up and a bit on the decels, what do you think? This is from about a 13 minute log from cold on. Having a hell of a time getting it where it should be during warm up

_________________
1986 Mustang LX, 1997 Explorer Long Block, GT40P Heads never pulled off s/b, Professional Products Upper/Lower intake and 70MM TB. Converted to MAF using A9l GUFB strategy, 03-04 Maf, Scotty Brown custom is now installed, this thing ROCKS! TFS springs/retainers/pushrods, BBK LT Headers and Xpipe, Dyno Max welded muffs, UD pulleys, Polished/Coated 4.30 gears, Z-code T5, Moates Quarterhorse, Binary Editor. 11.78@113.91 mph at Milan Dragway, 11-18-12. 1.56 60FT best. 329RWHP/353RWTQ SAE

Yeah I dont know why the car cares whether it is equipped with hegos or not when they are disabled. Look into your start up open loop table and if shes rich at a certain temp at start up reduce the values. If shes lean increase the values. When I am dialing that portion in I will concentrate on a temp and make changes in .500 increments to quickly see what she wants. Your decel will be affected by what your kg/hr is in in maf curve at decel. You can try to log what voltage you are at on your maf curve and if shes rich on decel reduce the kg/hr. If shes lean then increase the kg/hr at that voltage range. You can start with 5% changes either way to see what she wants. You can also mess with your decel multiplier or your o/l closed throttle multipliers. Remember that afr will change with altitude density, barometric pressure and temp. variants between hot days and cold mornings to a certain degree.

_________________
1989 GT - 25th Anniversary 5.0, Vortech S-Trim, TFS Trackheat Heads & Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FRPP 1.6 RR, 75mm TB, Pro-M 80mm, Anderson Power Pipe, FRPP 42#s, GS-340/255 lph pump, Anderson 1-3/4 shorties, 3" Borla Exhaust, Tremec T-5, 3.73-31 spline, MSD 6AL2, complete-lowered suspension A9L, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4, BE, EA, Innovate LC-1/XD-16.

1992 LX - 25.1c Chassis, Vortech Blown Renegade 317, Lentech Trans, TRZ Backhalf,A3M1, Moates QH/SL v1.6/1.4 BE, EA