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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:42 pm 
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I am not quite sure anyone would run their car WOT cold or at least under 160 degrees. Just doesnt make sense. If you were to do this with a supercharged or turbo car you would have a mess on your hands no matter what temp. I dont understand why anyone would want adaptives to be in control of fueling during wot mode. Allowing adaptives to learn and closed loop operation during WOT is a strict no no to me and there is a reason why Ford engineers didnt enable it either. Its unsafe. Adaptives and closed loop operation are fine under 3.0 volts but anything above I dont want the hegos controlling my fuel to be stoich. I still stand firm that a wideband will always under any condition be more accurate than a narrow band any day of the week. If this works fine for you than great. I for one would not do things that way. To each his own.


what you got against running WOT when cold? why doesn't it make sense? I got shit to do im trying to get where i got to go fa real lol

i have both supercharged and turbo'd engines and they are pretty clean

because the narrowbands can get fuel closer than most widebands

ford engineers do force full time wot narrow band closed loop control on many vehicles

its only unsafe if you don't know what your doing

you can stand firm by your beliefs but a non-laboratory spec wideband IS NOT CAPABLE of accurately calculating stoich as a narrowband is, its not my opinion its fact

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I am not quite sure anyone would run their car WOT cold or at least under 160 degrees. Just doesnt make sense. If you were to do this with a supercharged or turbo car you would have a mess on your hands no matter what temp. I dont understand why anyone would want adaptives to be in control of fueling during wot mode. Allowing adaptives to learn and closed loop operation during WOT is a strict no no to me and there is a reason why Ford engineers didnt enable it either. Its unsafe. Adaptives and closed loop operation are fine under 3.0 volts but anything above I dont want the hegos controlling my fuel to be stoich. I still stand firm that a wideband will always under any condition be more accurate than a narrow band any day of the week. If this works fine for you than great. I for one would not do things that way. To each his own.


what you got against running WOT when cold? why doesn't it make sense? I got shit to do im trying to get where i got to go fa real lol

Funny but not very smart

i have both supercharged and turbo'd engines and they are pretty clean

I am not seeing where the relevance is

because the narrowbands can get fuel closer than most widebands

Most is not all. This was a problem with the older zirconium based sensors. This is a non issue with current lambda sensor technology

ford engineers do force full time wot narrow band closed loop control on many vehicles

Not in the fox body vehicles you are referring to or any vehicle that is going to utilize this a9l2 you made up.

its only unsafe if you don't know what your doing

Allowing these fox body vehicles to run with adaptives running in closed loop mode during WOT acceleration with outdated technology, ecm and sensors and not even at normal operating temp range proves that you may need to brush up on your knowledge a lil to me.

you can stand firm by your beliefs but a non-laboratory spec wideband IS NOT CAPABLE of accurately calculating stoich as a narrowband is, its not my opinion its fact


I believe in facts and I am eager to see where you reference your factuals from. When you do I will follow up with my factual rebuttle. I welcome any factual document that states Closed Loop Operation and adaptive learning is a recommended practice on these older pushrod 5.0 motors and eeciv set ups.

In the mean time here is a lil factual on what I use in my vehicles and is far superior to narrow band sensor out there and this is not a LAB SPEC Sensor. The LSU 4.9 is an upgrade from the standard Bosch LSU 4.2 and even that older sensor will outperform narrowband sensors.



Narrowband sensors are nothing more than stoichiometric switches as indicated by this chart:

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Please refer me to a narrowband sensor that will outperform this and I will look into it:

http://www.bosch-motorsport.com/pdf/sensors/lambda/lsu49.pdf 8)

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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:22 pm 
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first off you of all people have don't even fully understand how hego feedback works since you have very little experience with it

2nd, your wideband is not as accurate as you think it is, if you enable closed loop and adaptives your kams will tell the tale

3rd anyone with any moderate knowledge of how an internal combustion engines functions knows engine damage is caused by heat

4th anyone with common knowledge that understands the principle of resolution can logically infer that a narrowband is much more accurate within its range 1.005-.995 lambda where as a non lab spec wideband can not discernibly differentiate between 14.64 and 14.7 afr

don't just take my word for it call any wideband manufacturer and ask if their wideband is more accurate at calculating stoich as compared to a narrowband

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Allowing these fox body vehicles to run with adaptives running in closed loop mode during WOT acceleration with outdated technology, ecm and sensors and not even at normal operating temp range proves that you may need to brush up on your knowledge a lil to me.


1st> i dont have to brush up shit to anyone
2nd> body style and age of technology is irrelevant when referring to engine function
3rd> just because you don't approve of something you gave up on (adaptives) means very little me, actually in all honesty is means absolutely nothing to me

before blatently saying something is wrong you should try to understand the logic in it

adaptives can only benefit a tune, there is absolutely NO ill effects unless your not doing something right

if you look in the a9l2 tune you'll also see that i yank out a bunch of timing when cold, this does 2 things, 1 it causes the engine to have to work harder (increasing mafv) and 2 it reduces heat in the combustion chamber


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after re-reading that i think i should apologize for sounding so harsh it was not my intent, interweb does not allow for sarcatic expression

im a really well spoken and easy going gent in the real world

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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
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Need some advise.....my fuel is pretty close,but still working on it. My question is about initial start up. When I first start my car it shoots up to 1600-1800 rpm for about 5-10 seconds,then down to about 1200 for another 5 and then down to normal idle. Is this something in the tune or will this get fixed when idle air is done? I did put a new aftermarket ISC and may try putting the old one on to see if that makes a difference.

Another thing I noticed when I glance over at the laptop when logging. Sometimes I see it's reading a bit lean around 15.3 on the wideband ,and lambse will be 15.6 in closed loop. Is that trying to make it leaner?

Thanks for all the work and help Decipha!

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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:22 am 
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I've got major complaints about this graphic that lead me to believe it's about useless, or at best unreliable for any practical reference.

First off is its representation of a HEGO. According to this, a HEGO's common switching range is only between what visually looks like .49v and .51v and that the range from the mid .4v down to 0v is somehow excessively lean. I completely disagree with that...at least the way my HEGOs behave. Normal operation for my HEGOs is that the 0-.6v range corresponds to 14.9-14.4 AFRg (1.02-0.98 lambda).

Next, its showing a Wideband as going from 0-5v with 0v being lean and 5v being rich. WB sensors are NOT voltage-based devices. They are current-based. And to get any kind of meaningful reading from them, you need a WB controller to manage and control their supply current flow while monitoring their sensor-side current direction and amount. But with a properly operating WB controller managing & monitoring the sensor, a WB sensor's current to lambda transfer is linear. The controller converts this linear current characteristic to a linear voltage output...which is much easier for most devices to use. Thus a voltage transfer of a WB is a characteristic of its controller, not of the sensor itself. That said, notice which direction the voltage goes as the mix goes from lean to rich. I don't know of a WB controller out there with a transfer that represents 0v as leanest possible value and 5v as richest possible value. Most WB controllers I'm familiar with have the 0v range representing the richest possible detection value and the 5v range representing the leanest possible detection value. Granted, a programmable controller like the Innovate controllers can be configured this way, but not by default.

Finally, they are showing the WB's transfer as an S curve. As already mentioned, WB controllers transfer a linear translation (straight line) from 0-5v, not an S-curve. The only place I would expect a bend in the transfer to occur is as you approach the max possible voltage value but the vast majority of the transfer should be a straight line. There is NO reason a WB would ever be expressed as an S-curve since they are inherently linear feedback devices.

There are enough technical SNAFUs on this graph that I say it shouldn't be used as reference to make any kind of argument.


As for the accuracy of WBs vs HEGOs, they usually parallel each other fairly well, but there can be some discrepancies and I think I know where some of this comes from. HEGOs are purely an O2 sensor. Presence of significant O2 will trigger them lean. However a WB sensor is a combination of an O2 sensor and a Hydrocarbon detection chamber (the thing that needs all the heat). In the presence of O2, the O2 sensor produces no voltage and is actually a resistance to current flow. The WB controller injects a current and the amount of resistance the O2 sensor puts up to the current push is an indication as to just how much oxygen there is present (how lean the burn was). In the absence of O2, the O2 sensor conducts current and in fact produces voltage as it does in a normal HEGO. So the controller isn't having to push current. In this case, the current flow is actually reversed. When this happens, the hydrocarbon sensor gives feedback as to how much hydrocarbon is present to give an accurate rich lambda.

I've seen my HEGOs and WB not fully agree when running Closed Loop on cold starts when I'm sure there's more unburned hydrocarbon and unburned oxygen near the condition my HEGOs are calling stoic due to incomplete (cold-engine) combustion. The incomplete burn makes the HEGOs report lean which causes the EEC to add more fuel to get what appears as a more complete burn. But under these conditions, the WB can report slightly rich due to the hydrocarbon sensor overriding some of the O2 sensor's influence due to the un-normally high amount of HC present in the exhaust. But under normal hot-cruise, the two sensors parallel each other rather nicely because generally you don't have both an abundance of HC and O2 in the exhaust. Whichever one is in shorter supply will more completely combust. The only time this doesn't happen is under abnormal running conditions which include cold engine running, badly retarded timing, or excessive EGR flow impeding complete combustion similar to cold engine combustion.

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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:30 am 
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chris.. i noticed the s curve too and the swapped lean/rich direction but i figured i wouldn't say anything because i didn't want to sound more like a cock than i already was

crock... your IAC is fine, once you dial in idle air your startup will be exactly how you want it

when an IAC valve goes bad it usually sticks and you won't get any fluctuation in idle speed
sounds like yours is working great!!!

have you tried turning the throttle body stop set screw down a tad? regardless this will be taken care of when you dial in idle air

it doesn't get much better than 15.3 vs 15.6, as long as the lambses are ramping back rich (reducing value) then its doing exactly what its suppose to be doing

at cruise loads and below i wouldn't consider the engine lean until you get past 16:1 (1.1 lambda)

in the a9l2 i have the hego control as lean as reasonable to achieve better fuel economy

most engines respond well to 15.2-15.6 AFR (1.04 lambda) fuel efficiency wise

once you get your fuel dialed in you can enable MFA to get even better fuel economy, all you have to do is enable the scalar and its already ready to go


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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
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My whole point of posting that graph was to illustrate how the narrow band basically acts like a switch back and forth between lean and rich and that a wideband is linear between 0-5 volt. Its obvious the graph is wrong and its also obvious that linear is better than switching back and forth. My whole argument is not that of narrow band vs wideband but the fact that the public is being told that its recommended to run closed loop and adaptives during WOT conditions with these older cars and ecm's. The BOTH of you should have realized that before jumping down my throat with your negative and sarcastic remarks. Maybe your attitudes are the reason why us reputable people slowly get scared off these forums one by one. Too much misinformation and know it all attitudes misleading and attacking people. You can all run adaptives and closed loop during wot for all I care with these shitty old processors, good luck keeping your shit together to whoever is stupid enough to do that. Adaptives and closed loop have their place but its not during WOT. Good Day and Good Luck :roll:

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Hey, I didn't jump down any throats or at least it wasn't my intention to come across that way. I was just pointing out that the graph isn't a good reference to use to make any kind of point.

And I am not supporting the idea of running Closed Loop@WOT. I just didn't have a strong opinion either way so I stayed out of that debate since I have no factual info to offer into the discussion, and my opinion isn't really worth that much being I am not an expert tuner.

There was a similar discussion about running Closed Loop at WOT on the newer truck 5.4L EECs. A number of people speculated as to why that was, but the jist was that the engines don't gain any more power by being enriched even when retuned for a richer WOT mix. And someone else speculated that as truck engines, they may do lots of hauling of heavy loads up long hills. So it may have been an emissions thing to "save" the CATs from being fried with long durations of rich WOT burn.

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Hey, I didn't jump down any throats or at least it wasn't my intention to come across that way. I was just pointing out that the graph isn't a good reference to use to make any kind of point.

And I am not supporting the idea of running Closed Loop@WOT. I just didn't have a strong opinion either way so I stayed out of that debate since I have no factual info to offer into the discussion, and my opinion isn't really worth that much being I am not an expert tuner.

There was a similar discussion about running Closed Loop at WOT on the newer truck 5.4L EECs. A number of people speculated as to why that was, but the jist was that the engines don't gain any more power by being enriched even when retuned for a richer WOT mix. And someone else speculated that as truck engines, they may do lots of hauling of heavy loads up long hills. So it may have been an emissions thing to "save" the CATs from being fried with long durations of rich WOT burn.


I can see where this came into play on the 94-97 7.5 trucks as I have read the same articles. It makes sense to do these things with TODAYS ecms and sensors and engine technologies since stricter emmissions standards are placed on to today manufacturers. I havent done too much investigation on whether this is still the case or not with the newer trucks/vehicles or not. Either way, to each his own.

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but linear is not more accurate than switching, its all about resolution
we're only interested in knowing an exact AFR in a narrowband

nobodys jumping down your throat at least not I, im just trying to help you understand

again, running closed loop at Wot on a cold engine with no timing is not going to cause
engine harm, its similar to running a cold engine with no coolant, it won't harm the engine until it starts getting heat in it

and to further you don't have to keep it that way, once you get your fuel dialed in you can enrich when cold as you tune, i did that so folks can load up their injector parameters and maf curve go out and drive it and all they have to do is adjust for the kams, takes only a couple drives and your completely done with fuel and you don't even need a wideband

and yes narrowband closed loop is still the case for many vehicles, your more modern ecu's run full time wideband closed loop


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Maybe slightly off topic but if wideband sensors are not as accurate why does Ford use them in all the 2011 up Mustangs? I believe since they are using a wideband sensor they operate in closed loop at all times, but no way I'd chance running a car closed loop at WOT with a narrowband.

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After reading a lot I think I'm ready to start tuning, but before that couple questions:

Adaptive learning- should I disable it when I'm dialing in fuel? Is it enabled in A9L2 bin? Looks like "Allow Adaptive Learning" set to 4700, if this number is enabling adaptive learning, what number disables it?

Injector timing set to 500, is it SOI (start of injection) or when injector closes? Do I need different injectors timing for Ford Racing F303 cam (512 lifts with 1.6 rockers)?


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Maybe slightly off topic but if wideband sensors are not as accurate why does Ford use them in all the 2011 up Mustangs? I believe since they are using a wideband sensor they operate in closed loop at all times, but no way I'd chance running a car closed loop at WOT with a narrowband.



a bunch of your more modern ecu's starting around 2002ish (for non-fords) do run full time wideband closed loop, they're not as accurate at stoich as a narrowband but with dynamic fuel response its really not neccessary, close is good enough, not to mention they have the wideband controller integrated into the ecu thus you get very little variation between actual and calculated afr.

you can change your load to go open loop by adjusting the o/l load function

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After reading a lot I think I'm ready to start tuning, but before that couple questions:

Adaptive learning- should I disable it when I'm dialing in fuel? Is it enabled in A9L2 bin? Looks like "Allow Adaptive Learning" set to 4700, if this number is enabling adaptive learning, what number disables it?

Injector timing set to 500, is it SOI (start of injection) or when injector closes? Do I need different injectors timing for Ford Racing F303 cam (512 lifts with 1.6 rockers)?



if you know how to dial in your fuel then yes you should disable adaptives while you dial it in, if your not too familiar with dialing in fuel then let adaptives take care of it for you and all you have to worry about is when its in open loop, you can then use the kams to know exactly how much you need to adjust to get your fuel perfect

yes adaptives are enabled, whats the specific name of the scalar your looking at that has a value of 4700??

500 is when injector timing stops, thats perfect for your setup


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decipha wrote:


......yes adaptives are enabled, whats the specific name of the scalar your looking at that has a value of 4700?? .......




For now I'm using tunerPRO RT, "Allow Adaptive Learning" scaler is set to 4700. But I'll leave it the way it is


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tunerpro is wrong, i'd leave it alone, anytime you see something with a screwy value don't mess with it

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decipha wrote:
tunerpro is wrong, i'd leave it alone, anytime you see something with a screwy value don't mess with it


TunerPro is not wrong. Its not configured correctly on vlydek'a end. Change to 480f to disable.

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oh my bad, regardless i wouldn't go messing with that value as its wrong

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I will not touch this value:)

ED, how can I configure it correctly? Just in case if I will run into more values like this one.


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I will not touch this value:)

ED, how can I configure it correctly? Just in case if I will run into more values like this one.


Ill be honest, TunerPro is not for the light at heart or new user friendly. It is a great software and extremely in depth software but not something to learn on. I will highly urge you to go with Clints Binary Editor. If you insist on sticking with TP contact Craig Moates @ www.moates.net

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:07 pm 
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oh my bad, regardless i wouldn't go messing with that value as its wrong


Its not wrong. Its the z_adpsw hack that Craig and I just recently added into the currently revised gufb.adx/xdf 56k file. Thats the way Craig addressed it to add it in.

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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
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o i c, excuse my ignorance

not converting it makes perfect sense, silly me


i still don't understand the purpose in an adaptive disable scalar, why not just set the min act for adaptives to max or something?


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decipha wrote:
o i c, excuse my ignorance

not converting it makes perfect sense, silly me


i still don't understand the purpose in an adaptive disable scalar, why not just set the min act for adaptives to max or something?


Sarcasm at its best. Why not just have one scaler to disable adaptives instead of fumbling around with min/max ect and act limits etc. etc. User preference. To each his own.

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 Post subject: Re: A9L2 base tune
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why remember to change 4700 to 480f was it?

when all you gotta do is set min act for adaptives to 254

/done takes the same amount of effort and its not something that wasn't designed that way

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why remember to change 4700 to 480f was it?

when all you gotta do is set min act for adaptives to 254

/done takes the same amount of effort and its not something that wasn't designed that way


:lol: :roll: :lol:

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Now I got wiring question:)
I have innovate LC-1 and would like to wire one analog signal into my ECU. Looking at the wiring diagram, looks like I need to wire into #27 pin (EGR position), correct?
Do I need to make any changes to the bin, besides voltage transfer function? Like enable some EGR signal, etc.?


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Now I got wiring question:)
I have innovate LC-1 and would like to wire one analog signal into my ECU. Looking at the wiring diagram, looks like I need to wire into #27 pin (EGR position), correct?
Do I need to make any changes to the bin, besides voltage transfer function? Like enable some EGR signal, etc.?


You are correct.

http://eectuning.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14947

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vlydeka wrote:
Now I got wiring question:)
I have innovate LC-1 and would like to wire one analog signal into my ECU. Looking at the wiring diagram, looks like I need to wire into #27 pin (EGR position), correct?
Do I need to make any changes to the bin, besides voltage transfer function? Like enable some EGR signal, etc.?



threads are free, its much easier to start a new thread with a specific unrelated question as to prevent cluttering up the more pertinent information

wire it up and go to the hardware >> config tab and put in your wb transfer

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EDS50 wrote:
vlydeka wrote:
Now I got wiring question:)
I have innovate LC-1 and would like to wire one analog signal into my ECU. Looking at the wiring diagram, looks like I need to wire into #27 pin (EGR position), correct?
Do I need to make any changes to the bin, besides voltage transfer function? Like enable some EGR signal, etc.?


You are correct.

http://eectuning.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14947



nice write up, thank you. I will have to change transfer function in tunerPRO, but it's similar to BE. Looks like I need to change equation, but it shouldn't be that hard :)
I'm trying to stay with TunerPRO, a lot of guys saying that it's really good software once you learn how to use it, even it's little bit more complex than BE. I will try to learn it :biggrin:


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