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Binary Editor (BE) Data Logging

Postby 86GT » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:44 pm

I am pleased to announce that the Binary Editor (BE) can now log data from the twEECer. Below is a list of features that the BE offers.

01 ) Log and or Monitor data in either Table format or a Dashboard format.
02 ) Allows the user to mark rows while logging.
03 ) Save separate payloads for different strategies
04 ) Retrieve payloads form the twEECer and then save them.
05 ) Allows different Payloads for each switch setting within the TwEECer
06 ) Has three custom displays on the Dashboard
07 ) Simulate live Drag Strip times
08 ) Allow EVP transfers for Wide Band O2 or Boost sensors
09 ) Allow for USB DataQ 4 channel (Not incorporated yet)
10 ) Payloads and Definition files are open source.

The BE is still in BETA testing and has successfully run on the GUFB and GUFA strategies. I do not have a scheduled release date as of now. I would still like to test a little more before releasing it to the public. The Binary Edit portion will continue to be free of charge, but the dataloging will have a small registration feee associated with it. I have not determined what this will be, but I am guessing right around $50. All feedback is welcome.

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Postby cgrey8 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:20 pm

Some of the features I think need to be elaborated on:

02 ) Allows the user to mark rows while logging.
When you are datalogging down the road, you sometimes want to mark a place in the tune. If the engine starts misbehaving, you can quickly reach over and hit the CTRL key (or whatever key Clint settles on) and this will put a mark in the datalog. Then as you go back and look in the datalog, you can go right to the key places you wanted to see. In a 1 minute datalog, this is hardly useful. But in a 30 minute datalog, this can be quite handy.

03 ) Save separate payloads for different strategies
Unlike CalEdit, BE only shows saved payloads that are correct for the selected strategy so you don't see CBAZA-saved strategies when you are working with a GUFB BIN file.

04 ) Retrieve payloads form the TwEECer and then save them.
05 ) Allows different Payloads for each switch setting within the TwEECer


CalEdit would download different payloads, but because it COULD NOT upload the payload back out to make use of having different payloads down in each position. In fact if you switched BIN positions without downloading the current payload that CalCon was aware of, you'd just get trash. With BE, you can upload the new position's payload and start datalogging right away without having to redownload/write to the TwEECer.

10 ) Payloads and Definition files are open source.
This means if you've been working with your tune in CalEdit and haven't converted to BE yet, you can upload your tune from CalEdit (or the EEC stock tune), save it as a *.BIN file and start tuning in BE right away. Thanks to 04 ), you can even upload your CalEdit-defined payload into BE and start datalogging immediately.

Because the strategy and BIN are open source, any assembly-language BIN hackers out there can develop their own strategy file for them. But if you want a good starting point for developing such a definition file, I'd look and see if CalEdit does support your EEC's strategy and start using it to write off to the TwEECer, then read the CalEdit tune back out using the BE, next change something (scalar/function/table) in CalEdit. After that, read that changed BIN out using BE. Then, compare the two files in a HEX editor to find what you changed in the BIN. That's the hard piece of info to get. Assuming CalEdit has it right, you can at least get what CalEdit has. As you find more info beyond CalEdit, your def file is a solid foundation to work from.

So all this, not to mention the biggest features of them all...Clint's the developer, not someone that could care less about the customer. For those that are regulars on this forum, you know Clint has a reputation of standing by his product and actually FIXING bugs. I, for one, have no intention of using CalEdit ever again.
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Postby 86GT » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:32 pm

Thanks Chris for adding that level of clarity. Just for those of you not aware Chris and Adam have been helping me BETA test this new version of the BE. I am looking for someone to help with the CBAZA strategy.


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The BE has been uploaded to the web site

I also want to make it CLEAR that the BE has not been tested with any 2 or 4 bank EEC. If you would like to test it then shoot me an E-Mail and we can work something out.
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Postby do'h » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:27 pm

Hey Clint,

Awesome work on new version of BE. I just wanted to provide you some feedback on BE. I think it would be really nice if all changes made in BE remained highlighted for quick reference when scrolling through the tune.
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Postby 86GT » Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:42 pm

The changes only remain there if they have changed since the last time the binary was saved.

If you want to know if it has changed from the factory setting then simply open a compare bin of the origianl and all of the changes will be highlighted.
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Postby Cougar5.0 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:02 am

86GT wrote:The changes only remain there if they have changed since the last time the binary was saved.

If you want to know if it has changed from the factory setting then simply open a compare bin of the origianl and all of the changes will be highlighted.


Yep, best way to compare.

I do wonder why the compare tune (usually I use A9L.bin) is the one highlighted as opposed to the one you are currently working on. I always expect the data points with different data than the OEM tune to be highlighted, then I have to remember to look at the original boxes to see which ones were changed, then look back to see the new values in the unhighlighted boxes above. I find it somewhat unintuitive.
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Postby cgrey8 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:11 am

It works that way because if you change something in the currently loaded tune, BE highlights what you changed to indicate that you've changed something that hasn't been saved yet. Color-coding in the compare and color-coding on the loaded BIN mean different things.

As long as I can quickly see what's different, that's all that matters to me.

The compare feature is nice for comparing the various "stock" tunes of the same strategy. So you can load up the A9L and compare it to the A9M or A3M. There are a few changes here and there. For the most part, they are the same tune, but finding the FEW differences sure is easier with color-coding. Compare each one of those with X3Z and you'll notice extensive differences.

I imagine much of the same would be true of the CBAZA strategies.
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Postby Cougar5.0 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:02 am

cgrey8 wrote:
As long as I can quickly see what's different, that's all that matters to me.



That was my point - I have to look back and forth and sometimes I think the OEM numbers are the changed numbers (because they are highlighted) and I start (incorrectly) modifying the highlighted boxes. I just find it counter-intuitive...
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Postby 89ragtopgt » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:16 am

have a snapshot of the analog dashboard???? It i easier to read while doing mach 1
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Postby 86GT » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:19 am

Currently I only have a digital dashboard. I personally have never used the analog. I can not get the resolution that i want to see on the analog. It appears that maybe the analog is something I need to add.
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Postby 2Shaker » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:49 am

Clint,

As I said in my e-mail to you I am happy to do testing with CBAZA. I can't get over how nice the user I/F is and having more confidence in what I'm seeing.

In defense of the analog display, I did find it useful to have both in CalCon. I would look at analog not for the precision, but just to get a sense for how the car was behaving in a run or after a certain point in a cruise. Not a top priority in my opinion, but a nice to have item.

I will get to the testing in the next few days. I've already been testing of sorts just looking at the features and importing/exporting etc. I am also planning on comparing CBAZA J4J1 to W4H0 (Cobra Stick to GT Auto) to see which of the unlabled PIDs are different to see if it gives any insight to what that PID might be.
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Postby Cougar5.0 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:03 pm

Hey, looking good - just downloaded the latest update. It's asking me for registration so I guess it's ready to try out huh?

Very cool. :D
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Postby codedout » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:48 pm

Hi Clint, Nice work. I would be happy to beta test the CBAZA as well. I usually put about 50-100 miles a day on the car, and most of the time I have the laptop hooked up.
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Postby 86GT » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:29 pm

Cougar5.0 wrote:Hey, looking good - just downloaded the latest update. It's asking me for registration so I guess it's ready to try out huh?

Very cool. :D


Yep it is ready for the GUFA and GUFB.
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Postby 86GT » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:31 pm

2Shaker wrote:Clint,

In defense of the analog display, I did find it useful to have both in CalCon. I would look at analog not for the precision, but just to get a sense for how the car was behaving in a run or after a certain point in a cruise. Not a top priority in my opinion, but a nice to have item.


I will see what it is going to take. The graphics involved it not to easy but I will see what it takes. I maybe better if I just fork out the money for the some guages and insert those.
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Postby Toy 94 GT » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:40 am

Clint...

This awesome. With support it is worth twice the price. We all paid decent amount for Tweecer and really get no support.

If you need anyone else with CBAZA. I will volunteer. I just added a KB to my car and need to dial it in.

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Postby 86GT » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:26 am

I have a couple of people right now on the CBAZA and so far they are able to read and write but the payload is not woring yet. The CBAZA is compelety different.
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Postby 95BlackTan50 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:21 pm

Clint,

I've been away from this forum for a while. It looks like you've been busy. I'm curious to hear if the CBAZA datalogging will work without the data dropouts that CalCon has.

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Postby 86GT » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:41 pm

95BlackTan50 wrote:Clint,

I've been away from this forum for a while. It looks like you've been busy. I'm curious to hear if the CBAZA datalogging will work without the data dropouts that CalCon has.

Barney


I am hoping that this is true. I just got confirmation today that the CBAZA was datalogging and all data looked good. I think he sent me a log. I will have to go look at it and let you know.
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Postby DrDirt » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:41 am

SUHWEEEEEET, Clint!

My 331 car is still down, still collecting parts for the 2.3 Turbo project and I still haven't replaced my dead laptop but you are really getting me cranked up and anxious to get back to tuning again. You can bet that as soon as I get things together I'll be registering the new BE. If all this works on the LA3 as well as the A9P, I'm gonna be in absolute Hog Heaven. You provide the best support for any software I have ever had and I pimp your stuff every chance I get. Excellent job and I'm sure when you get it finished it will be better than sex! (It may already be better but I can't test it so for now, I'm stuck with just the sex thing. :lol: )
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Postby 2Shaker » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:04 pm

All,

Heads up. I've been testing the BE product and will be starting a new thread in the Software Issue forum for problems and suggestions. It would be great if everyone would try to use this and then Clint can have a central point to get feedback.
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Postby 86GT » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:40 am

Thanks to Chris Mureen the BE now supports the CRAJ0 and CDAN4 strategies. The CRAJ0 datalogging has been verified to work.

Thanks to SailorBob the BE now has the ability to log 17 parameters . The ACT and ECT are both monitored or logged if either one of the two parameters are selected. There is no need to select both anymore. This allows for an additional parameter to be selected.

Thanks to cgrey8 the BE can mark logs while logging. Simply pressing the CTRL key will marked the log with a value untill the CTRL key is pressed again. This can be done multiple times if desired, and each time the log will have a different value in the MARKED column.

The BE also supports live monitoring on selected tables. Any table that has RPM, ECT, LOAD or ACT will have the associated cells highlighted to show where the EEC is currently at in the table. Its nice to be able look over at the table and see exactley where the EEC is gettings its data.

I also added a MPH correction on the about tab.

I finally got my DataQ today. I have play with it a little today. It is going to be nice to be able to log 17 + 8 parameters when I get this incorporated into the BE.
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Postby blk91gt » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:56 pm

Clint, i've been eyeing the new features on BE closely. One concern I have is the wideband transfer function, will there be a way to import those DB files from calcon in future releases. I'm not sure that you provide enough datapoints as it is now.
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Postby 86GT » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:31 pm

blk91gt wrote:Clint, i've been eyeing the new features on BE closely. One concern I have is the wideband transfer function, will there be a way to import those DB files from calcon in future releases. I'm not sure that you provide enough datapoints as it is now.


You can add point to the transfer function.

All you have to do with the db file is open it in Excel and then copy out the transfer function and place it into the BE. If you have a problem with it send me the DB and I will convert it for you.
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Postby blk91gt » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:14 am

Be would not allow the transfer to be pasted, so I edited the EVP.DB and all seems well there.

I tried to log AFR on my buddies truck tonight with it and I got no signal at all from the wideband, It works fine in calcon tho. In BE it just reads zero.

Any ideas there?
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Postby 86GT » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:38 am

Two things

First, Make sure the transfer is going from five volts on the top of the trasfer to 0 volts being on the bottom.

Second, make sure when you change the selection below the EVP transfer function to AFR look at the table on the left and make sure the TAG "EVP" changes to "AFR.

It should work if those are correct.
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Postby blk91gt » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:46 am

There in may be the problem, The WB xfer I have is wonderfully accurate, but it is 1-5 volts as the author couldn't get acurate below 1V.

Might there be an issue in translation?

If I 0-5 is an absolute have you or anyone else by chance seen a wb xfer for 0-5V that is known accurate?

The tag does chanke to AFR BTW.
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Postby 86GT » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:53 am

Maybe I should have clarified. It is not important that there be a 0 volt but rather the numbers decrease from the top of the transfer to the bottom and the voltage be in the left column.

Send me the EVP.csv file and i will take a look
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Postby blk91gt » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:25 am

That explains it - my transfer is backwards - it increases in voltage as you go down the list :)

I've flipped it around and i'll try logging again tomorrow.

Edit: Works good now
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Postby 93Cobra#2771 » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:06 pm

Clint,
Great work! Been absent from this board for quite a while (I haven't even fired up my tuning laptop for prob a year).

Looks like I'll have to dust it off and start playing again. :)

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