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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:55 am 
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First I will say great job and service I just purchased my licences for BE and EA yesterday and was collecting data in 2 minutes!

As a recent purchaser I find I am confused about what exactly EA does. Part of the confusion is that I have not seen a detailed overview of what EA does. For example, from what I have gathered through reading the help files and forum topics EA has several function tabs built in, some of the functions will generate data to modify your tune directly, other tabs such as the fuel delivery, drag strip,...others? do not give you data to plug into your strategy. So I have several nooby questions I that can easily be answered on a single page of paper. Is there a quick start guide that shows you the most important things you need to use EA efficiently?

For example, do I absolutely need a datalog to use the application? If so where, why, when, etc?
I have a 3 minute data log of my car idling, can I use this data for anything?
What tabs are tools that do not output data to input into a tune?
When is the WB editor useful? I just started datalogging with BE.
MAF functions requires two curves, why? What comparisons are to be made and what is the basis for inputing a second curve?
Whats the best way to get new tune data from EA into your BE calibration?
Do all the functions act independetly from eachother?
Is there manual for EA that I have not run across?

I am looking for a brief overview of each function without alot of detail at this point: I think some of the help files do this while others are a bit too much and don't get the basic message of what the function does across. Can you point me in the right directions?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:30 am 
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Lots of questions. I will try to answer what i can.

In short EEC Analyzer is a tool that can perform a lot of different calculations. These calculation results can help you in better decide what changes can or should be made to your vehicle configuration. Most all, but not all, of the calculations are based off of some sort of datalog. EEC Analyzer needs inputs to these calculations in order to get results. To some it up EA will analyze you datalogs and suggest thing for you to change. EA can also play back your logs,

to answer the questions

1) Yes you need a log file. Look in the help files to determine which calculations need what parameters logged.
2) Depends on what you logged and 3 min is not much data. The more data the better.
3) There are a few scattered like the ones on the settings tab for converting flow numbers.
4) The WB editor was used on some of the tweecer hardware predefined WB transfer functions. You should update your signature so we can see what combination you have.
5) They only need one curve. The second curve is for you to compare against. The second is not required.
6) Select what you want right click and copy and then in BE right click and paste.
7) yes
8) All help files are embedded into the app. There are help buttons in all kinds of different locations. You can go to the EA folder and then to help and read all of the help files if you would like

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:22 am 
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86GT wrote:
Lots of questions. I will try to answer what i can.

In short EEC Analyzer is a tool that can perform a lot of different calculations. These calculation results can help you in better decide what changes can or should be made to your vehicle configuration. Most all, but not all, of the calculations are based off of some sort of datalog. EEC Analyzer needs inputs to these calculations in order to get results. To some it up EA will analyze you datalogs and suggest thing for you to change. EA can also play back your logs,

to answer the questions

1) Yes you need a log file. Look in the help files to determine which calculations need what parameters logged.
2) Depends on what you logged and 3 min is not much data. The more data the better.
3) There are a few scattered like the ones on the settings tab for converting flow numbers.
4) The WB editor was used on some of the tweecer hardware predefined WB transfer functions. You should update your signature so we can see what combination you have.
5) They only need one curve. The second curve is for you to compare against. The second is not required.
6) Select what you want right click and copy and then in BE right click and paste.
7) yes
8) All help files are embedded into the app. There are help buttons in all kinds of different locations. You can go to the EA folder and then to help and read all of the help files if you would like


Thanks for the reply, I have been out of town so I have not had much time to play but I am back now :)

I think your reply helped me understand some but what I am still puzzled by the WB editor-what info do you need about my combination. I updated my sig slightly. I have datalogged with the BE and calcon and have not seen any dbf file created.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:53 pm 
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Still wondering about the WB editor and when it is applicable.

Also, I think it would be extremely useful to consolidate all of the user input that is required in order to generate meaning data.

For example, I just now figured out that the MAF must be correctly defined in the MAF tab PRIOR to IMPORTING datalogs. This is not at all obvious and I did not notice until I read the HELP section just didn't know there prereq's for importing a file,.

Perhaps the TABS can be organized in sections like (off the top of my head):

"Your Car's Setting (user input)"
"Tools"
"Tunning Calculations"

This will add a bit of logic for new users-I can appreciate that there is a significant amount of documentation in the help files, but the user needs to have a feel for where to start-that way he is not bogged down worrying about functions like the WB editor :biggrin: and more worried about ensuring all of the user inputs are inputed as required.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:54 pm 
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The maf has to be accurate in EA only if you have the Calculate MFV from MAF or the other way around when EA loads a log. If you log both MAF and MAFV then turn off the calculate on load options.

As for ording the tabs in EA it is not quite that easy. Everyones combo is different and may not require the same tuning sequence

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:51 am 
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86GT wrote:
The maf has to be accurate in EA only if you have the Calculate MFV from MAF or the other way around when EA loads a log. If you log both MAF and MAFV then turn off the calculate on load options.

As for ording the tabs in EA it is not quite that easy. Everyones combo is different and may not require the same tuning sequence


It is not so much ordering the tabs as it is organizing them into logical categories, if there is logic the user's experience will be better. I suppose the order would inevitably change-but I don't see that there is any real order to them anyway. Another thing that can be done is some where in the 'Help' sections to categorize them, that would be useful too.

So do you have anything on my WB editor question??

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:10 pm 
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the WB editor is used on the tweecer. The tweecer had pre defined transfer functions that could not be changed. With the WB Editor you could change those transfer functions to whatever you wanted to.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:17 am 
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I assume you mean predefined functions when using CalEdit?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:28 am 
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yes the tweecer has predefined functions for the WB transfers.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:09 pm 
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86GT wrote:
yes the tweecer has predefined functions for the WB transfers.


So bottom line is you don't need it if your data logging with BE?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:15 pm 
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