Windows Vista Tweecer compatability?

blk91gt · Post by **blk91gt** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:40 am

I'm just about to lay down some $ for a new laptop - when it occured to me that Tweecer may not work with it - having read some driver issues with USB ipods.

I'm wondering if anyone had gotten tweecer working on vista platform yet?

I'd sure aprecated the feedback.

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:36 am

I too have a new PC that should be here Monday that has Vista Ultimate on it. I will test to see if cal con works on it. I will be able to test wether or not it run but not download or upload because this is a new desktop. I can not get the Tweecer hardware close to the car.

I also have to test the EEC Analyzer and Binary Editor to see if they are compatiable.

blk91gt · Post by **blk91gt** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:22 pm

Thanks for the Reply Clint.

Looks like my concerns were valid, here is what Mike Glover had to say:

The driver currently used with our software does not support vista. Our usb chip maker does
have a new driver, but it will have to wait to be tested & implemented. There is no time frame
to do this.

Best Regards,

Mike Glover

Looks like I'll have to buy a copy of XP or find a notebook that doesn't have vista pre-installed. From what I understand Vista has a bunch of USB incompatability for IPODS and whatnot. So screw Vista, i'll stick with what works.

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:55 pm

Well that answers that.

You could make the PC a dual boot PC and have vista and XP on it.

blk91gt · Post by **blk91gt** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:42 pm

Well there's an idea...

Thanks.

Post by **cgrey8** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:09 pm

I wouldn't recommend making it dual boot on the same partition. I'd recommend Partition Magic and split your HD, then install WinXP or Win2k (since you could probably get it free) and roll with that.

I've been experimenting around with Vista and I can say I officially hate it. WinXP wasn't enough different than Win2k so the transition to XP wasn't bad at all. However even with putting Vista in "Classic Mode" for everything possible, it still isn't enough like Win2k/XP to make me happy. I'll be sticking with what I got for a long while.

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:50 pm

I agree about putting them on separate partitions.

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:00 am

Vista sucks.

I hate it.

Outlook XP, 2003 & even 2007 doesn't work right. Microsoft says they will not fix the registry issues with older than 2007, so they are pulling one of these sleazy "oops, we essentially installed a virus into all your old software - pony up for all new software! Jackasses.

Adobe 6.0 Professional is NOT compatible with Vista - so much for me being able to create pics from the strategy document and paste them here - man, that pisses me off. I found out because Excel would not start and kept crashing. Do you think they tell you when you install it that it is not compatible like they did with XP? Hell no, this is the worst operating system Microsoft has ever released. It's like an Alpha release IMHO. MS claims that only Adobe 8.0 works with Vista.

EA runs the WebUpdater every time I start it and even if I say "NO" to updating, the database is backed up and a new one it created!! I can never use the database with my custom info in it!

Same applies to BinEditor - it asks me every time I open it if I want to update, then it closes the program if I say no!! I can't use it at all!

You MUST run Visual Studio (I'm running C++) as an Administrator. They claim you have to update the SP1 for Vista, but they only offer a BETA version which I will not touch after all the problems I've had so far.

There was an error with Sonic SLA (DLA?) that kept popping up but Dell did have a fix for that - not sure why those morons ship the laptop without fixing this problem!!

I spent 13 hours today getting this machine to work remotely like XP.

I am not even thinking about trying CalEdit or Calcon - I am way too frustrated to even think about that for a while - good thing my tune is pretty good about now.

I was screaming at the top of my lungs in frustration earlier today. Remember how you would have to reboot Windows 3.1 like a dozen times a day? Well, I had to reboot every time I reinstalled or changed something that wasn't working today, but the effing machine would take LITERALLY 5 minutes to shut down after any changes.

Oh, and turn PROTECT MODE - OFF immediately - you will go INSANE trying to set up your machine with this IDIOT program asking you TWICE for ANY change - even just pasting in something like your datalogs into a Program Files directory - I kid you not!

Microsoft has apparently gone SO FAR to security side of things that you can barely change anything on your machine - even if you are the Administrator!!! So many programs are NOT ALLOWED to register in the Registry that you CANNOT USE THEM because your settings get LOST every time you open your program.

Type "outlook, insane, password, vista" and get a chuckle at how many people are ready to kill Microsoft because they have so many issues using Outlook. Total paranoia in the security area. I have to type in my passwords for all three of my accounts every time I open Outlook - some people have 8 accounts!!!

Outlook asks every minute if you want to allow a program to have access to your contacts - you can only answer "Yes, for (1-10) minutes", This dialog will then pop up after that time and if you do not attend to it, dialogs will keep popping up until there are hundreds of them on the screen. Microsoft says "go to hell" if you have older than Office 2007, and Outlook doesn't even work in 2007 (google it)!!

I have no idea what Microsoft is thinking, but this is the absolute worst abortion of an operating system since Windows ME. I am totally disgusted.

Clint, I hope you can figure out how to work around these new issues as I cannot use either of your programs on my new laptop.

At least Media Player works (big surprise there) so I can listen to music to calm my frayed nerves. Wow, what a ramble that was!

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:39 am

WOW

I must say that I do not like Vista all that much either. It took me nearly a week to get it to do what I wanted.

I had all kinds of issues too, from BIOS updates to video drivers to ACPI drivers and so on. I finally got all of those worked out but I still get the random lockup or BSOD (blue screen of death).

I have a wirless router so I was able to turn off all of the security CRAP (defender, Firewall, UAC User Access Control). I then throttled back the hard drive indexing.

I finaly got it running pretty good but I will have to tell you it was not an easy task. It should have never been this hard or time consuming. I would not recommend Vista to any one untill at least SP1 comes out and even that is stretching it.

I was able to get Adobe Pro 7.0 installed with all of the patches. That seemed to work without any hitches. I was also able to get 2005 Visual Studio VB.Net installed with SP1. I do have to say that works pretty good. I am able to compile EA in less than a minute now.

Cougar50 if you need the GUFB in MS WORD format I have it. I was the original one who put it in PDF Format.

As for the issue of the BE and EA asking you for the updates, I made a change to them that upon start up it will goto the net and look for new updates. If it detects a new upate then it will prompt you to download the new updates. If you do not wish to have this feature it can be disabled on the settings tab. I will look into the databse overwriting and get rid of that.

Sorry for the hassel.

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:02 am

Yeah, the weird thing is that it will ask the very next time I open EA if I want to install an update, even if I did it last time 10 minutes ago.

It will ask me to register probably again tomorrow after I reboot - it's totally pathetic - it can't seem to "remember" anything. That's the thing that is driving Outlook people insane. If even Microsoft programs don't run well on Vista, well, you get the picture.

I spoke too soon on Media Player - songs take like 5 seconds to cue and EVERY SINGLE TIME the song breaks up with like 30 seconds left in the song!! I can't even engoy my music!!!!!

This is a disaster of epic proportions - if it took a software guru like you a week to get it "pretty much" ironed out, how long for even a tech-pro engineer like me? How about your average mucky-muck?

Vista is a total crap Alpha program that NEVER should have been released.

I may return this laptop - I'm not sure I can handle this bullshit. I haven't even started to see if my engineering software will run on this machine or the engine simulation software.

I never would have fathomed that Microsoft would release such an abortion. Glad to hear that Adobe 7.0 works, I like Adobe 'cause of the excellent search function and because the Pro version lets to edit & do all sorts of cool things. I am really pissed about that. The Visual Studio is working fine, though they are clear that you must be an Administrator.

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:09 am

Apparently an awful lot of people are Googling "Vista Sucks" and this thread has some of the best summaries of why Vista sucks http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx

VISTA SUCKS!

Say it loud, say it often...

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:35 am

Cougar50

I fixed the EA and BE webupdater for Vista. Try reinstalling both of them. Make sure to delete all files except your license file and database.

I am going to read you Vista Sucks link now.

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:36 am

Thanks, I'll try that today though I can barely function after bashing me head trying to get this thing to work for 16 hours yesterday :(

I'm trying to listen to music now using Media Player and EVERY song breaks up with 30 seconds to go - it's SO annoying - how can they call this a "multimedia" OS? It is so friggin' slow and it malfunctions constantly with media :(

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:55 am

I've been equally as impressed (or lack there of) with Vista. None of our released software at work will install on it. However I haven't tried setting things to compatibility mode the way XP could do. With the exception of problems with Media Player, I've witnessed the same problems with my girlfriend's Vista laptop. Slow, BSOD, things won't run or won't run right, constantly asked to "approve" something to run, 2k/XP drivers for USB devices won't work, the list goes on and on. With all the "approve this" pop-ups, you wind up just setting all the security settings to low so you aren't constantly annoyed with it prompting you to approve something. It even asks you to approve other OS-specific programs like the network settings dialog or stuff you execute from the Control Panel. WTF were they thinking releasing Vista in this condition? I thought Win95 was bad when it 1st released. But Vista is the worst release ever. Hopefully SP1 will clean up a lot of this crap and get more legacy support into Vista.

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:41 am

I think the thing that makes me the madest is that if you are logged in as the administrator why is the stupid UAC and security enabled. There is a reason for being the administrator. If they gave the the chooise of logging is as the system then that would be better.

Thank You MicrorSHAFT !!!!!

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:17 am

86GT wrote:I think the thing that makes me the madest is that if you are logged in as the administrator why is the stupid UAC and security enabled. There is a reason for being the administrator. If they gave the the chooise of logging is as the system then that would be better.

Thank You MicrorSHAFT !!!!!

All I can say is thank God you can turn off that damned "Protected Mode" - it was driving me INSANE!!

Oh, Clint - you will be pleased to note the EA and Binary Editor are running fine now - whew!

Now, when will I be able to used Calcon/CalEdit and talk to Tweecer?

I guess I will wait 'till the weekend before subjecting myself to that torture!

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:28 am

If it's like other programs, the installer won't recognize Vista and thus it won't install. However you may be able to get it to install by right-clicking on all the installation EXEs and DLLs and set them to Compatibility mode (assuming Vista still has that). In XP, you set compatibilty mode by right-clicking the executable files and going to "Properties" in the right-click menu and select the Compatibility tab in the resulting properties window.

With that set, Vista should lie to the installer about what OS it is and thus the installer will proceed as though it is installing on whatever OS you selected (probably best to choose XP or 2k). Once CalEdit/CalCon/BDE is installed, you'll need to apply the Compatibility mode to these EXEs as well.

Hopefully the USB driver for TwEECer will install. If not, you may have to get the generic FTDI chip driver. Hopefully that'll work if the official TwEECer driver doesn't (I don't think you can put driver files in compatibility mode).

None of this may work, but it is something to try as part of your plan of attack.

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:12 pm

Cougar5.0 wrote: Oh, Clint - you will be pleased to note the EA and Binary Editor are running fine now - whew!

Cool

Cougar5.0 wrote: Oh, Clint - you will be pleased to note the EA and Binary Editor are running fine now - whew!

Now, when will I be able to used Calcon/CalEdit and talk to Tweecer?

I guess I will wait 'till the weekend before subjecting myself to that torture!

Like i said I was able to install Cal Con and Cal Edit without any issues. I was also able to modify a bin, but I was not able to download because i could not get the Tweecer close enough to my Desktop PC.

mysticsn95 · Post by **mysticsn95** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:10 pm

I just got my new laptop with vista. I installed caledit a9 and when i open it or calcon i get. "Network Initalizion Failed. File or Directory does not exist. File c:\PDOXUSRS.NET. Permision Denied. Directory c:\"

What the heck does that mean?

blk91gt · Post by **blk91gt** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:05 am

same thing happens in calcon if you dont turn off user protected mode. Once to do that caledit will work fine. you will find it in your control panel under "user account control".

mysticsn95 · Post by **mysticsn95** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:05 am

I will. Did anyone ever have troubles getting vista to see the tweecer?

Danknugz302 · Post by **Danknugz302** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:34 pm

yeah, I can't get vista to recognize any drivers for the tweecer even when I direct it to the right folder

94GTLaserRC · Post by **94GTLaserRC** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:48 pm

Has there been a DEFINITIVE I.D as how to deal with this issue? I just paid for another copy of BE, and it will install the driver on my new Vista Computer. I know that I am pointing the computer to the right directory because I did the same thing with my old XP computer and it works on that computer.
When choose the entire path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\BinaryEditor\Drivers\TwEECer

Then I click "NEXT" to install the drivers, it is says "windows cannot find driver"

I feel like I just wasted my money on another copy of BE just so I can have it on a faster computer.

How can I correct this?
THanks
RC

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:05 pm

With the path that you stated x86 this would indicate that you have a 64 bit machine. If this is true then you have to get the drivers from FTDI Chips. BE is supplied with the 32 bit drivers and not the 64 bit one.

88gthatchback · Post by **88gthatchback** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:59 pm

I am running 64bit Vista and have tried every driver i can find. I got them from the FTDI site where they say that it is 64bit compatible but windows still says it cant find the drivers when i direct it to the correct folder. I've been battling this for a month now with no answers. I'm thinking about just buying the 32bit Vista and be done with it.

86GT · Post by **86GT** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:05 pm

88gthatchback wrote:I am running 64bit Vista and have tried every driver i can find. I got them from the FTDI site where they say that it is 64bit compatible but windows still says it cant find the drivers when i direct it to the correct folder. I've been battling this for a month now with no answers. I'm thinking about just buying the 32bit Vista and be done with it.

I know it works. I had a close friend here in town try it on his band new 64 bit PC. Do you have a way I can log in like MSN messenger. I might be able to take a look.

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