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funny dashpot behaviour

Post by pthornton » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:41 pm

After starting the car it idles great and dashpot works correctly if I rev the engine, dropping back to dashpot of 0. But after driving the car and stopping, the car behaves different. The dashpot drops to 0 as when I rev it, but before it drops all the way to idle rpm the dashpot kicks back in. It gets in a loop on this at 1000 rpm. Idle actually is smooth, only see the loop in logging. Idle is set at 800. Before I start experimenting, any suggestions. This cam has been a pain with it's overlap.
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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by pthornton » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:49 pm

I've attached my current x3z based tune.
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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by decipha » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:54 pm

i always loved the look of them saleens

im on my tele so no help here

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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by cougarnut281 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:19 pm

On my phone also but what is the tps and throttle status doing?

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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by pthornton » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:42 pm

Don't have my tuning computer with me, I'll post a datalog Monday.
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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by pthornton » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:51 pm

Well, I was finally able to catch it while datalogging. My TPS jumps from .78 to .86 volts when I'm not touching the throttle. This puts it in part throttle mode and causing it to idle up and stay there. First off is .78 normal for idle? Should a change this small put it in part throttle mode? I guess this probably means I need a new throttle position sensor?

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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by pthornton » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:49 pm

If I change the DELTA breakpoint for part throttle to .10 it should help, but is this too large and tuning around a bad TPS sensor?
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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by EDS50 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:58 pm

pthornton wrote:If I change the DELTA breakpoint for part throttle to .10 it should help, but is this too large and tuning around a bad TPS sensor?
Randy
Sounds like the tps could be shot. Worth a try replacing it since its cheap enough. If it still happens with the new tps I would start looking at the ecm.
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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by pthornton » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:12 pm

New TPS is holding steady at 0.98 volts. Amazing how much a bad part can mess with your idle, thought the cam was causing the surging.
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Re: funny dashpot behaviour

Post by EDS50 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:41 pm

Glad it turned out to be a simple fix.
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