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Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by Gothensangel » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:21 pm

Hey guys new here and ik having issues with getting some things figured out. I'm well aware I could just pay and have someone do it for me, in also aware that I've nearly invested more into trying to tune my eec4 cbaza t4m0 to be able to use edis8 waste spark as I would have spent to just buy the newest holly standalone dominator ecu and then tbe options would been endless.
I have looked for a definite answer but there isn't one that seems to really exist as half the ppl say edis will work with cbaza t4m0 if u change the 4hints for it witb say tunerpro or BE. Another large portion say it's impossible as it doesn't have the scalesrs(even though in both software it's clearly got options to do it). Then a small fraction say u can load A4A1 into the cbaza instead of t4m0 an that will do it as well.
A diy for dummies guide would be amazing but I'll settle if anyone could just help me out or point me in the direction I need. I'm using a qaurterhorse(which is an absolutely amazing piece of hardware if I may say) I have the cbaza t4m0 in my 95 cobra gt svt cobra convertible. I swapped the 5.0 for a 94 351w and I can't run a dizzy because of my intake choice, unless it's the extremely small low profile duel sync one for about 600 bucks brand new and at thst point I'd rather return everything and just go the dominator route tbh, starting to feel like I got suckered and this eec4 bs was just someone's way to make a quick buck since they invested so much time into junk to sorry for the rant just frustrated and need guidance

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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by jsa » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:43 am

The ignition type scalar would need to be set to 4.

Whichever bin you choose will need to have code for edis where the code branches for ignition type 4.

If you install the edis module, crank sensor and 36-1 wheel, it will run at a fixed ignition timing of 10° btdc. Connecting edis to the eec with a supporting bin will allow timing change.
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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by sailorbob » Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:15 am

The CBAZ* strategies do not support EDIS, they do not have the code for it. Just because a parameter switch indicates a particular option it does not mean that the software, or the hardware, supports it.

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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by cgrey8 » Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am

Interesting that GUFx has code for EDIS (using EDISx modules), but the CBAZx strats don't. That's surprising.

Are there any EEC-V strats that support TFI (gray or black)? I think I've asked that before.
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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by sailorbob » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:16 am

I think the AGAN* strategies use TFI ignition.

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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by 86VickyLX » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:59 pm

I am running an A4A1 with EDIS 8 in my 86 Crown Vic 4 door. It is a modified TownCar strategy. It is running a 97 Explorer engine with a 4r70w behind it. The ECM besides the catch code (and calibration) is identical to the CBAZA units as far as hardware. So you can run an A4A1 calibration on a CBAZA unit with the proper strategy. That being said, you will need the necessary hardware on your engine to make it run. A VR cam synchronizer from a 99-01 explorer 5.0. Either a modified stock balancer that can accept a 36-1 tone ring and either custom mounting a crank position sensor from an explorer. OR running SN95/explorer accessories and timing cover. You will also lose your ability to have the fans controlled by the pcm if you were utilizing that feature.

I see this is for a 351w. So a little clarification. I am also planning an OBD-II set up for another Crown Vic that has a 351w in it. So you will need a cam synchro either custom made or premade by one of the aftermarket companies. I made one from the shaft of a 3.8 mustang VR cam synchro and the body of a 99 explorer 5.0 synchro. The mustang has the proper 5/16" oil pump driveshaft hex size, and the explorer has the proper body shape for the small block Ford. Disassembly of the synchro isn't hard. Just need to drive the roll pin and the gear off and the shafts come out through the top. I ended up buying one as I was unsure of the length of the drive for the oil pump shaft was too short, but as it turns out it's the same length as my custom one. So you can save some money there.
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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by 86VickyLX » Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:01 pm

cgrey8 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:57 am Interesting that GUFx has code for EDIS (using EDISx modules), but the CBAZx strats don't. That's surprising.

Are there any EEC-V strats that support TFI (gray or black)? I think I've asked that before.
Some of the 96-97 Bronco F250 strats were OBD-II. The definitely still used the TFI module.
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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by sailorbob » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:13 am

86VickyLX wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:59 pmThe ECM besides the catch code (and calibration) is identical to the CBAZA units as far as hardware.
The A4A1 does not use the same hardware as all of the CBAZA ECU's as they use two different types; one for manual transmission vehicles (SMD-333) and one for automatic transmission vehicles (SMD-212A). The A4A1 uses SMD-212A hardware.

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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by cgrey8 » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:20 am

Ahh, I think I remember the problem I was remembering. There is no EEC-V strategy that supports both TFI and 4R70w automatic transmissions. The only EEC-Vs that support TFI control E4ODs.

The reason I was asking was if I ever wanted to do another V8 swap, but do so into a 4x4 Ranger and transplant an AWD Explorer 5.0L setup. At the time, there wasn't much known about EEC-Vs & EDIS. However times have changed. The fear/resistance to using EEC-V and EDIS isn't what it used to be.

Add to this, I no longer have the desire to do another V8 swap. Been there, done that. And if I ever do another major build, it'll likely be using some aftermarket engine management solution.
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Re: Cbaza, a4a1, edis8

Post by 86VickyLX » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:37 pm

sailorbob wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:13 am
86VickyLX wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:59 pmThe ECM besides the catch code (and calibration) is identical to the CBAZA units as far as hardware.
The A4A1 does not use the same hardware as all of the CBAZA ECU's as they use two different types; one for manual transmission vehicles (SMD-333) and one for automatic transmission vehicles (SMD-212A). The A4A1 uses SMD-212A hardware.
Yes you are absolutely correct. I should have said automatic transmission. my apologies.
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1997 Ford Explorer 5.0 (Bored 0.020" over) GT40P heads, Extrahoned Cobra Intakes, 70mm throttle body, Comp Cams XE270HR, 1.7 Roller Rockers, 60lb injectors, 2004 Crown Vic P71 Airbox, MAF & Ziptube, Custom Exhaust
Controlled by A4A1 with Quarterhorse
Transmission
Rebuilt 4R70w with J Mod
Rear
3.55:1 Limited Slip with rear disc brakes
Big front brakes and ABS retrofit

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