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hacking first gen '94 - '97 powerstroke

Post by TNScrambler » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:04 am

Ok, may be the wrong section to put this in.... but....

from what I understand the '94 - '97 powerstrokes use the Gen IV EECs.... what needs to be done or whats the best way to go about getting one hacked or whatever you want to call it to be able to tune it using a Moates Quarterhorse or the like.

I may be able to provide a computer for someone to work with if they are willing and have the ability.

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Post by cgrey8 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:01 pm

I was sent a CAW0 EEC that is supposedly from a diesel. The intention was that I extract the BIN file and send it to Derek (sailorbob) for him to make a def file for. Upon receiving it, I found that the EEC had been damaged...burned traces were indication of that. Point being, I wasn't able to extract the BIN. So I'm working to get the ROM unsoldered off the board and soldered onto a good EEC so I can get the tune.
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Re: hacking first gen '94 - '97 powerstroke

Post by TNScrambler » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:17 pm

cgrey8 wrote:I was sent a CAW0 EEC that is supposedly from a diesel. The intention was that I extract the BIN file and send it to Derek (sailorbob) for him to make a def file for. Upon receiving it, I found that the EEC had been damaged...burned traces were indication of that. Point being, I wasn't able to extract the BIN. So I'm working to get the ROM unsoldered off the board and soldered onto a good EEC so I can get the tune.
If that does not work, please let me know, I probably can get my hands on one to send you try as well....currently the only way I've found to tune these with software that I can burn to a chip and plug in, it would make it much better if I can tune on the fly with the moates system.

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Post by cgrey8 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:41 pm

If you can scrounge up a CAW0 or some other similar 94-95 EEC-IV Diesel tune, I'll set it up and try to do an extraction on it. I've got all the wires and PS setup to do it. I just need a working EEC to pull the tune out of. I did confirm that everything I was doing was correct by successfully pulling the tune out of the A9L I have. I even monitored current draw of the EEC. FYI, an EEC just sitting on a bench pulls about .48 amps powered. When having the tune extracted, the amps drop to .36 because the processor is disabled during that time. And the 12v KAM power input pulls ~1-1.5ma.
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Post by TNScrambler » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:28 am

So you need that specific code and year model? or will any of the '94 - '97s work? If not, do you have a specific list other than the CAW0?

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Post by cgrey8 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:31 am

Let me find out...
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Post by cgrey8 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:46 pm

I talked to Derek, and it turns out the CAW0 is not an engine controller. It's JUST an electronic transmission controller based on a standard 94 EEC architecture. I have no clue what controlled the diesel engine on a CAW0-equipped vehicle, perhaps another EEC? In anycase, the CAW0 doesn't sound like it's going to benefit the intention of this thread.

But it is exciting to think that you could get a reman CAW0 from AutoZone or Advance and tune with it using the QH or Moates chip and get Baumann-like control over an electronic tranny for a fair amount cheaper than a Baumann controller. So if anybody finds a CAW0 EEC, I'll take it for the purpose of trying to get the BIN extracted from it. Or if you have the ability to extract the BIN, send it my way so I can get it to sailorbob.
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Re: hacking first gen '94 - '97 powerstroke

Post by cougarnut281 » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:09 am

Weren't the powerstrokes mechanical injected until 98?

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Post by TNScrambler » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:24 am

cgrey8 wrote:I talked to Derek, and it turns out the CAW0 is not an engine controller. It's JUST an electronic transmission controller based on a standard 94 EEC architecture. I have no clue what controlled the diesel engine on a CAW0-equipped vehicle, perhaps another EEC? In anycase, the CAW0 doesn't sound like it's going to benefit the intention of this thread.

But it is exciting to think that you could get a reman CAW0 from AutoZone or Advance and tune with it using the QH or Moates chip and get Baumann-like control over an electronic tranny for a fair amount cheaper than a Baumann controller. So if anybody finds a CAW0 EEC, I'll take it for the purpose of trying to get the BIN extracted from it. Or if you have the ability to extract the BIN, send it my way so I can get it to sailorbob.
Well, 1994 may be the problem itself, in that year ford offered both a 7.3l In-Direct Injected (idi) and Direct Injected engines. Only the Powerstrokes are DI engines and would use the EEC to tune the engine. The IDI trucks have a mechanical injection pump which are not computer controlled, but they may have used some type of controller or ecm of some sort to control the electronic E4OD automatic trans they used. However the '94 - '97 DI (powerstroke) enignes should use an ECM to control the engine and trans together from my understanding. They use a far more advanced than IDI injection system that utulizes HEUI (Hydraulic Electronic Unit Injectors) injectors that are independently controlled and fired by a Injection Driver Module (IDM) that converts 12v to 80 to 120v (stock, my modded IDM puts out 140v) that is also computer controlled.

So maybe you need a late '94 - '97 EEC to test....that may be part of the problem with the current one you've been trying.

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Post by TNScrambler » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:27 am

cougarnut281 wrote:Weren't the powerstrokes mechanical injected until 98?
See my above post, but in short all Powerstrokes were Direct Injected and computer controlled....the earlier IDI motors were all mechanical...last one being in early '94....they did however make some changes to the Powerstroke engine itself after '97 and changed the EECs as well. The later style in the Super Duties can be tuned directly without any add-on hardware to the computer.

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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:00 am

Out of curiosity... has anyone hooked up a Tweecer to a powerstroke? I see on the tweecer site that you can't datalog, but it claims the powerstroke is supported. What is actually defined and changeable?

One other question that may not be that related. How are the chip burning guys making custom tunes for these? I haven't been able to find a definition for the strategy anywhere.
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Post by 86GT » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:07 pm

I maybe able to get the tunes. I have a CD with over 1800 calibrations. I know the Jody Tipton also has the def files for BE for these. Not sure if he sells it or what.

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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:50 am

86GT wrote:I maybe able to get the tunes. I have a CD with over 1800 calibrations. I know the Jody Tipton also has the def files for BE for these. Not sure if he sells it or what.
A friend of mine has not had luck with the last 3 chips he has bought (a lot of money wasted) and is looking for a way to tune the truck on his own. I'm looking for a definition and the stock bin. He was thinking about picking up a tweecer just to see what is supported. I'm not sure if the QH will work with the powerstrokes, but that would be better.

If you have access to bins and a def, let me know and i'll get the pcm code. I hear there are a lot of different pcms for the powerstrokes.
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Post by 86GT » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:34 pm

I am sure i can get the calibration but the def file is something I do not have that is public.

Find out what the calibration is and i will see from Jody if he wnats to publish a encrypted version.

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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:32 am

86GT wrote:I am sure i can get the calibration but the def file is something I do not have that is public.

Find out what the calibration is and i will see from Jody if he wnats to publish a encrypted version.
It's a EEC-V, TDE0.
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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:23 am

Any luck finding the tune or a definition?
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Post by 86GT » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:03 pm

Ok it is VCAB0 strategy. Send me an email I have them

I dont have the strategy but i have the tunes.

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Post by TNScrambler » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:22 pm

I just received my moates qtr horse today and I am excited to get it in there and get playing, but I like other people am not sure if it will work right away. I know the qtr horse will work, because that is what Jody Tipton uses while living tuning. I just don't know about the def files. Between a friend and I we bought the needed hardware from moates to be able to read the the tunes out of the ecms but we just need to find out how to get the def files.

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Post by 86GT » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:26 pm

I know jody has the diesel def files. It is up to him if he wants to share them or not. If it is non diesel then one that is not currently supported then I would talk to Adam from Popracing, Derek AKA Sailorbob, or SVO john or Fraser all of which are on this forum.

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Post by killacal » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:41 pm

I have some tune files for a newer powerstroke from an SCT... not sure if this helps anyone, but I'd be willing to send one out to anyone who wanted to dissect it.
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Post by POPSRACING » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:46 am

I've writen several Diesel strategies privately for some folks. Contact me via PM if interested.
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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:18 pm

86GT wrote:Ok it is VCAB0 strategy. Send me an email I have them

I dont have the strategy but i have the tunes.
I emailed you, I didn't know what your email was, so I used Sales@EECAnalyzer.net from when you sent me my BE keys.

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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:23 pm

Are there any defs out there for ford diesels (for free)? I'm thinking about hacking the VCAB0 bin and making my own def for it. Having another ford diesel def would make this go a lot faster.
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Post by POPSRACING » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:30 pm

When you have to put 120-160 hours into writing a def, it just can't be free. Diesel is a whole different animal than gas strategies.....trust me. The problem is Diesel was austentatious as Ford utilized multiple strategies per year for the Diesels. There arw 40+ calibrations utilizing that strategy.
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Post by cgrey8 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:10 pm

How much do you charge for a license to use one of your defs?
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Post by OrangeCrush86 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:21 pm

I realize it is a slim chance, but thought I would ask.

I told my friend to call you after you sent me a PM. I don't think he's gotten around to it, however.

Anyways, I have a lot of free time these days and figured I would try writing a diesel def for his truck out of boredom. No offense.
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Post by POPSRACING » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:51 pm

No offense taken, always looking to drag others in to write these. If you spend a good amount of time writing one after disassembling you will see what I mean.
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Post by 2002blgt » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:56 pm

Adam you wanna write one for a dump truck ? T444 international , box code XXX0 , need a 30HP tune for this thing

I think its single bank EEC-IV
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Post by 2002blgt » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:16 pm

ok question guys , when I read this BIN file off the PCM I used start address in hex 000000 and end address 03FFFF

should I have used start 032000 and end 03FFFF ?

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Re: hacking first gen '94 - '97 powerstroke

Post by mpaton » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:46 am

2002blgt wrote:Adam you wanna write one for a dump truck ? T444 international , box code XXX0 , need a 30HP tune for this thing

I think its single bank EEC-IV
This is a single bank EEC-IV bin. I took a brief look, lomg enough to see that it's coding style is not the same as the US gasoline cars and trucks. I'd guess there are many many hours disassembling this one.

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