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IronLotusBKO
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Injector scalars
Hey guys, I installed 24lb injectors in place of my 19 lb ones on my 95 bronco 5.0, i know I should adjust my breakpoint and probably my minimum pulse width as well correct? Is there any kind of starting parameters for the swap? Thanks guys! I’m really new to this, really sorry if this is a dumb question. I saw a post that was kind of a beginner where to start post, but I couldn’t make heads or tails of the numbers.
Btw I am tuning with a Tweecer and use vex1 strategy. It’s a ca truck so it’s a mad system.
Btw I am tuning with a Tweecer and use vex1 strategy. It’s a ca truck so it’s a mad system.
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
Re: Injector scalars
There's a lot of resources online, like Mike's website at EFIDynoTuning.com, but yes, an injector swap generally requires adjustment to the following functions and values:
- Injector breakpoint
Injector high slope
Injector low slope
Injector's battery voltage offset curve
Injector timing (optional and not really tunable without datalogging anyway)
'89 Fox: 8.6:1 306, GT-40 lower, Blowzilla 2.2, ProM 92mm MAF, 90mm TB, LU80s, TwEECed A9L w/EDIS8
'79 Bronco: 8.5:1 408C-2V, Lightning lower, Cobra upper, LMAF, 65mm TB, 24# injectors, EDIS8, Moates F3, single O2
'66 Mustang: 10.5:1 289, Victor Jr. EFI intake, 90mm TB, LMAF, 30# injectors, CDAN4 TwEECed
'00 Mountaineer: 9.2:1 302, ported Perf. RPM2, LMAF, 65mm TB, LU24As, READ0, QH currently
'08 & '09 Buell XB12Ss, 1125CR: DDFI3 tuned via TunerPro RT
'79 Bronco: 8.5:1 408C-2V, Lightning lower, Cobra upper, LMAF, 65mm TB, 24# injectors, EDIS8, Moates F3, single O2
'66 Mustang: 10.5:1 289, Victor Jr. EFI intake, 90mm TB, LMAF, 30# injectors, CDAN4 TwEECed
'00 Mountaineer: 9.2:1 302, ported Perf. RPM2, LMAF, 65mm TB, LU24As, READ0, QH currently
'08 & '09 Buell XB12Ss, 1125CR: DDFI3 tuned via TunerPro RT
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IronLotusBKO
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Re: Injector scalars
Ok cool I’ll look for the data. They’re denso ones that came out of a cobra. I’m sure I can find them somewhere. I’ll check that site now I appreciate it
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
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Re: Injector scalars
Ok, so I believe I found the data I need but it’s in a different format than I’m used to. Does Tweecer have a different format than others?
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
Re: Injector scalars
What format is it in? Is it just a unit conversion issue you're dealing with?
'89 Fox: 8.6:1 306, GT-40 lower, Blowzilla 2.2, ProM 92mm MAF, 90mm TB, LU80s, TwEECed A9L w/EDIS8
'79 Bronco: 8.5:1 408C-2V, Lightning lower, Cobra upper, LMAF, 65mm TB, 24# injectors, EDIS8, Moates F3, single O2
'66 Mustang: 10.5:1 289, Victor Jr. EFI intake, 90mm TB, LMAF, 30# injectors, CDAN4 TwEECed
'00 Mountaineer: 9.2:1 302, ported Perf. RPM2, LMAF, 65mm TB, LU24As, READ0, QH currently
'08 & '09 Buell XB12Ss, 1125CR: DDFI3 tuned via TunerPro RT
'79 Bronco: 8.5:1 408C-2V, Lightning lower, Cobra upper, LMAF, 65mm TB, 24# injectors, EDIS8, Moates F3, single O2
'66 Mustang: 10.5:1 289, Victor Jr. EFI intake, 90mm TB, LMAF, 30# injectors, CDAN4 TwEECed
'00 Mountaineer: 9.2:1 302, ported Perf. RPM2, LMAF, 65mm TB, LU24As, READ0, QH currently
'08 & '09 Buell XB12Ss, 1125CR: DDFI3 tuned via TunerPro RT
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IronLotusBKO
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Re: Injector scalars
Yes I believe so, I’ll go back and find it. I haven’t had a sec to deal with it in a few days
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
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Re: Injector scalars
So I’ve been busy as heck and finally got back around to tuning. I use a Tweecer and this is the format I found but don’t understand
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95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
Re: Injector scalars
Multiply injector slopes by 3600. The breakpoint is 2.219IronLotusBKO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:58 am So I’ve been busy as heck and finally got back around to tuning. I use a Tweecer and this is the format I found but don’t understand
1990 Mustang 5.0, HCI, Vortech S-trim, FRPP 42# inj., PMAS MH95, A9L, Moates Quarterhorse, BE/EA, Innovate LC-1.
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Re: Injector scalars
Paulie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:23 pmMultiply injector slopes by 3600. The breakpoint is 2.219IronLotusBKO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:58 am So I’ve been busy as heck and finally got back around to tuning. I use a Tweecer and this is the format I found but don’t understand
Awesome! Thank you so much!
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
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Re: Injector scalars
Still a bit confused on Injector's battery voltage offset curve… is there a post anyone can link that explains well?
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
Re: Injector scalars
The values are slightly different because BE rounds the numbersIronLotusBKO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:04 pm Still a bit confused on Injector's battery voltage offset curve… is there a post anyone can link that explains well?
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Re: Injector scalars
I guess i just don’t understand how I should adjust it and why
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
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Re: Injector scalars
So I was just about to change the breakpoint and slopes on the Tweecer, (stock tip1 breakpoint is 0.000149) it’s telling me the max can only be set to 0.001 so I’m thinking i need a different format?Paulie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:23 pmMultiply injector slopes by 3600. The breakpoint is 2.219IronLotusBKO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:58 am So I’ve been busy as heck and finally got back around to tuning. I use a Tweecer and this is the format I found but don’t understand
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
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Re: Injector scalars
Anyone have any insight?
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
Re: Injector scalars
.0002219IronLotusBKO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 1:47 pmSo I was just about to change the breakpoint and slopes on the Tweecer, (stock tip1 breakpoint is 0.000149) it’s telling me the max can only be set to 0.001 so I’m thinking i need a different format?Paulie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:23 pmMultiply injector slopes by 3600. The breakpoint is 2.219IronLotusBKO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:58 am So I’ve been busy as heck and finally got back around to tuning. I use a Tweecer and this is the format I found but don’t understand
1990 Mustang 5.0, HCI, Vortech S-trim, FRPP 42# inj., PMAS MH95, A9L, Moates Quarterhorse, BE/EA, Innovate LC-1.
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Re: Injector scalars
Awesome! Thanks I appreciate it
95 Bronco 306, rpm performer heads, shorty headers, bbk 56mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, forged internals. Tuned with Tweecer VEX1 strategy
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