TweeCer Tuning Manual

-X- · Post by **-X-** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:20 pm

Everybody knows we need a tuning manual that will define the scalars and funtion tables in a way that is easy to understand that will define the variables and how it will effect your vehicle. I am volunteering to head up this process. What I need from all the members of this board is to start emailing or pm me definitions of the functions in tweecer that they are Aware of in the following Format:

Definition: What does this function due

Platform: what version of the EEC that this affects

OEM Value: default value

Min Value: Minimum Value Setting for Function/Scalar/Table

Max Value: Maximum Value Setting for Function/Scalar/Table

Description: A laymans description of how this will affect your car

Hints: Suggestions on how to use this feature to tune you vehicle

Please include your full name so I can give credit to all those that help. I will also beasking Mike Glover to review the manual forr accuracy as well as any definitions that he currently has. As soon as I have a rough draft I will publish it on the yahoo board for download so everyone can help find errors or offer suggestions to make it better.

Sincerely,
Stephen Brown

Daren Woodall · Post by **Daren Woodall** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:53 pm

That's one ambitious undertaking! This is a desirable task but will require many eager volunteers. Also, there are several processor strategies that need coverage as well.

As you may have seen in the installation directories for TwEECer that there is a "docs" directory that contains individual MS Word files for the currently documented items. Somehow, these docs are associated with the selected item in CalEdit.

We should find out if the item-to-doc association is externalized in such a way that users could create a doc and associate it to the appropriate item. If this type of doc association is not available, STKR should consider an approach that will allow such a doc association.

With such a feature available, a repository of docs can be accumulated and provided for download. When downloaded, CalEdit will display the appropriate information for the selected item.

A request for a "Tuning Guide" has been suggests many times by new owners. You'll find that such a project would be many months (years perhaps depending of participation) in the making. Pretty soon you'll be very efficient at accessing the answers you need from the BBS services and loose interest in compiling a manual.

If an initiative gets start, I will contribute what I can. I've wanted a way to associate docs to CalEdit items for some time now, mainly at personal notes and reminders. I'd make them available to others as well. Maybe this will get traction this time.

-X- · Post by **-X-** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 3:42 pm

I know this will take a while, I have already started on a basic format/Outline, I think this will actualy be more of a guide to help define all functions/scalars in calcedit and how to use RT. Rathar than focus on a peticular platform the guide will focus on all functions available with a note to what platform the pertaining too. The definitions in the doc files are helpfull but only define a very small portion of the functions as well as several are not complete or hard to understand. I will put out an editable version of the guide that is open to all users to update or send me updates. What I really need from exisitng users is a definition for each function/scalar available. Those who are interested email me and I will send you one function to track down and email me the results to. I will keep track of who is looking up what function/scalar so two people are not working on the same process. If all the exisiting users took one or two functions/scalars at a time we could have the project done in a couple of months.

Stephen Brown

-X- · Post by **-X-** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 3:53 pm

One last thing to include in the form would be:

CalcEdit Function Table/Scaler: The function table or scalar name.

Stephen

-X- · Post by **-X-** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:11 pm

There are rougly almost 200 settings in tables/functions/scalars, lets start with thones that the manual describes as important and go from there. Here is what we can start with:

Naturally aspirated tuning:
WOT Fuel Multiplier VS RPM - function
WOT Spark Advance VS RPM - function
Base Fuel Table
Base Spark Table
Spark Adder - scalars
WOT
Part Throttle
Closed Throttle
Turbo / Supercharger / Nitrous Tuning:
WOT Fuel Multiplier VS RPM - function
WOT Spark Advance VS RPM - function
WOT Spark Advance VS ECT - function
WOT Spark Advance VS ACT - function
Base Fuel Table
Base Spark Table
Altitude Spark Table
Injectors larger than 36lb/hr
Cranking Fuel Pulsewidth Multiplier - function
Cranking Fuel Pulsewidth VS ECT - function
Startup Fuel Map - table
Injector Offset VS Battery Voltage - function
Hi & Lo Injector Slope - scalar

I have also posted a template document to fill out and email to me here:

http://users.ev1.net/~alex4769/template.doc

Anyone with these definitions that are not in the docs file please fill out a template and email it to me. If you have any other settings defined already please feel free to send me those also.

-X- · Post by **-X-** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:53 pm

Here is the basic format that I am working on, this was written in Word from office XP.

http://users.ev1.net/~alex4769/ttg.doc

Suggestions are greatly appreciated

Post by **Jon 94GT** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:43 pm

I have some ideas on how we can manage the scalar/function/etc definitions but have been unable to talk with Mike about them as of yet (guess he has been a bit busy). My solution involves an online repository of definitions which can be categorized by processor strategy/year/etc. It is all an idea right now...and I just need to talk with Mike about it to get his input on it.

-X- · Post by **-X-** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:48 pm

Good Idea, I am still working on getting users to help with definitions. Any definitions I get done I will send to you to add to the online repository.

Post by **Jon 94GT** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:58 pm

My idea also involves an online submission and verification where anyone could request a change/addition. Once it is 'verified' or 'approved' by a moderator from the board or other member indicated as being allowed to do so it would then be updated/posted/listed. There would also be a place under each definition for users to post their own notes about the item for others to see.

Ziggy · Post by **Ziggy** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 12:50 pm

Jon,
let me know if anything comes of this online documentation idea. I’ve been mumbling about something similar to this on the yahoo group for a while now.
I’m a I guess what you would call a amateur php/mysql programmer in that its not what I do for a living but I probably could if I cared to. :]

So mark me down as willing to help program the backend of this.

-Jacob Rush

Ed Hohenberg · Post by **Ed Hohenberg** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:50 am

how about a new forum for "Definitions". Or possibly 3 forums, one each for scalars, functions and tables. A separate thread could be started for each tag to solicit input from those with knowledge on that tag/topic. Once the activity on the thread dies out, the info can be summmarized into a Master Tuning Manual. All threads could remain open, so that any new info/discoveries could be added when/if it becomes available.

This would also reduce the amount of repeat info posted here, and on yahoo. I think some of the experts are getting tired of repeating the same stuff over and over again for the new users, then the knowledge just "falling off" the bottom of the forum in a few days.

desmo996 · Post by **desmo996** » Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:37 am

Ed Hohenberg wrote:how about a new forum for "Definitions". Or possibly 3 forums, one each for scalars, functions and tables. A separate thread could be started for each tag to solicit input from those with knowledge on that tag/topic. Once the activity on the thread dies out, the info can be summmarized into a Master Tuning Manual. All threads could remain open, so that any new info/discoveries could be added when/if it becomes available.

This would also reduce the amount of repeat info posted here, and on yahoo. I think some of the experts are getting tired of repeating the same stuff over and over again for the new users, then the knowledge just "falling off" the bottom of the forum in a few days.

Ditto

ls1killer · Post by **ls1killer** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:29 am

Man this would be great, it's would be a lot better than the trial an error most have to go through.

Post by **Jon 94GT** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:13 am

Well I talked to Mike, and he had requested some more information via email which I sent about 2 weeks ago. I have not heard from him at all. *shrug*

desmo996 · Post by **desmo996** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:18 pm

I think he's on vacation or something, he hasn't posted on here in 5 days and hasn't answered the phone in the 3 attempts I have made to call him.

By the way Jon, why don't our ":shrug"'s show up?

Ziggy · Post by **Ziggy** » Thu Mar 27, 2003 2:14 pm

Yah I mentioned something like that Ed, on the mailing list a couple of weeks ago but no word from mike on it.

moonshine · Post by **moonshine** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:16 pm

This is a great idea, keep it up for the new guys like me. :D

bosss50 · Post by **bosss50** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:56 pm

I like this idea, Make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moonshine · Post by **moonshine** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:53 am

The new version 1.20B has an area in it for definitions, a lot of them are not currenlty filled in. The information we acquire should make to the program. This way every thing you need is in the program.

Post by **Jon 94GT** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:25 am

Well I am just waiting on Mike. He has been rather busy lately.

bosss50 · Post by **bosss50** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:26 pm

we shouldn't let this post fall off the first page of this board, because a manual for the tweecer is needed. and I am not just talking about myself alone here. other people need to add their voice to this post, you know who you are *****over 600 have read this post******

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:57 pm

Your right Boss, maybe Mike or Jon could make this post a sticky.

kblackav8or · Post by **kblackav8or** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:15 am

Make sure there is info on AODE or electronic automatic programming which is a major reason I bought the darn thing.

madramper · Post by **madramper** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:39 am

I would definately like to see a manual put together. There are just too many variables to try to figure them all out on your own. Even if we just made a how-to section. If someone know what worked for them, they can post it in there. You don't have to wait until everything is figured out. Go a little at a time. Its easy to learn that way anyhow!

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:45 am

RacerX...I have three books of notes one is notes I have on the ECM parameters the other on tunes that have worked and the last is the brain fart book of all the things I shouldn't have done. I will try to organize these this weekend and PM you something next week.

Jon...I thought we had a FAQ Submission forum already right? Some of the post there I think is off base though.

Post by **Jon 94GT** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 1:55 pm

We do have FAQ submission, however it isn't quite being used properly. Submissions in that forum should be COMPLETE FAQ's about a certain tuning issue. Most people just post small snippits and such. Neither I or Mike have the free time to gather it all together in a logical manner. We really need an online based software like I spoke of and have sent more detailed information to Mike about. I just wish he would take the time to consider it and give me the go ahead so this issue can finally start on a path towards resolution.

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:28 pm

Jon....I can't imagine how busy Mike and you are. Probably trying to finish off the 99+ stuff and the people raving for the Focus I'm guessing. I'm thinking you two might need some help maintaining the board, especially to get this FAQ thing going. I personally think the best candidate for the job is desmo996. I think he would have what it take to sort bad from good, plus he already contributes alot. Just an idea!

Have a Happy Easter everyone!!

klondike93 · Post by **klondike93** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:26 pm

I'll second that motion

:?

Chuck

Post by **Jon 94GT** » Fri May 16, 2003 11:48 am

Jon 94GT wrote:Well I am just waiting on Mike. He has been rather busy lately.

Well bad news guys...the idea was turned down, for reasons I don't know. Hope someone figures out something...we need a fix. I just don't have the free time to compile a big howto/faq section.

klondike93 · Post by **klondike93** » Fri May 16, 2003 3:35 pm

Bummer :(

:?

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