[TwistedTwins]

I have been going through a lot of the definition file for CBAZA on Tuner Pro to add some of the missing parameters to tune my 94 GT. The Tuner Pro def has basically the same parameters as the Free XLS CBAZA, so far I have added a lot of the Idle Settings that Decipha referrs to in his CBAZA Idle article and a couple other random parameters as well. I plan to add any parameters that I need as I go along tuning.

I am adding these into Tuner Pro, but if anyone wants to put them into the Free XLS file for BE I can post them up with Address, Title and Conversion. Just let me know and I will throw a doc together with what I have so far.

[EDS50]

I have been going through a lot of the definition file for CBAZA on Tuner Pro to add some of the missing parameters to tune my 94 GT. The Tuner Pro def has basically the same parameters as the Free XLS CBAZA, so far I have added a lot of the Idle Settings that Decipha referrs to in his CBAZA Idle article and a couple other random parameters as well. I plan to add any parameters that I need as I go along tuning.

I am adding these into Tuner Pro, but if anyone wants to put them into the Free XLS file for BE I can post them up with Address, Title and Conversion. Just let me know and I will throw a doc together with what I have so far.

I have a thread covering this if you want me to merge them together.

[TwistedTwins]

I have a thread covering this if you want me to merge them together.

Sure, feel free to merge the thread. I saw that post and I was not sure if the info I have fit the discussion. It seemed to be more around descriptions of the existing parameters, what I was doing is adding new parameters that are currently only in the encrypted files that I cant use in Tuner Pro. Like these:

Misc> ARCWOTCOR - Aircharge Correction Factor WOT 0xBCE0 (0xDCE0 in TP) - 16bit, LSB, X/32786

Misc> ARCANTCOR - Aircharge Correction Factor 0xBCD2 (0xDCD2 in TP) - 16bit, LSB, X/32786

Spark> KACRAT - Spark Tip In TP 0xCA14 (0xEA14 in TP) - 8bit, X/256

Idle> IDCOFS – ISC Dutycycle Offset 0xBD86 (0xDD86 in TP) - 16bit, LSB, X/327.675

Idle> IDCMUL - ISC Dutycycle Multiplier - 0xBD84 (0xDD84 in TP) - 16bit, LSB, X/32786

Fuel> Z_AFR - Stoichiometric AF Ratio - 0x6B83 (0x8B83 in TP) - 16bit, LSB, Conversion(x/4095 is close to A/F when extended to 4 digits precision 14.6435)(59965 = 14.64 Unleaded Gas)(See Spreadsheet for details)

[decipha]

i thought the aircharge scalars were in the cbaza xls?

just for the record, the tip in throttle position scalar isn't used in cbaza, its skipped in the code

i know the isc offset is in the xls, if memory serves its labeled, global adder

twisted... as much as i admire you taking the time to disassemble the cbaza strategy your time would probably be better spent focusing on the less supported ecu's, the cbaza ecu is just about completely broken out

[TwistedTwins]

i thought the aircharge scalars were in the cbaza xls?

just for the record, the tip in throttle position scalar isn't used in cbaza, its skipped in the code

i know the isc offset is in the xls, if memory serves its labeled, global adder

twisted... as much as i admire you taking the time to disassemble the cbaza strategy your time would probably be better spent focusing on the less supported ecu's, the cbaza ecu is just about completely broken out

Thanks for the info decipha, good to know on the Tip In TP Scaler.

Disassembling the CBAZA for my own personal use since that is what is on my car and so I will know the system inside out when I tune it. Just the way I like to do things. The aircharge scalars are in the XLS but they were not in the Tuner Pro definition - sorry for the confusion.

[vristang]

If I remember right, there were a couple of settings needed for changing engine size that aren't in the generic .xls definition. Most were associated with the PIP signal IIRC?

I'll look over my notes to get details and maybe you can add those in?

[vristang]

Here is a list of the things I had to change in order to use CBAZA to run my 2.3 4cyl...

Uncovering these would be of value... in my opinion anyway...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17062

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17706#p98719

DEGPIP - 4 cyl
IGN_TYPE - TFI
SPKSWL - 1307
SPKSWH - 1307 (does it matter what they are, as long as they are the same?)
HP_CID - NO (I didn't change this)
VMAFPIPLMT - 50 (I wasn't sure what to put here?)
NUMCYL - 4cyl
PACSLO - 5 (I wasn't sure what to put here?)
ENGCYL - 4cyl
SIGKLU - 4 or 6 cyl
SIGKLL - 4 or 6 cyl
AIR_MAN_VOL - 4 (wasn't sure what to put here?)
MHPFD - 4cyl
THRMHP - NO (I have removed all emissions)
PFEHP - NO (I have removed all emissions)
NUMHEGO - One
AIR_DOWN_CAL - DownEdge
SARCHG - 140

Injector Firing Order & Injector Output Port are not accessible.
The strategy says they are blocked by NUMCYL.
Is it safe to assume these are properly configured as soon as I made the NUMCYL change?

[TwistedTwins]

Vristang - here you go man, these are the ones that are not already in the XLS file.

DEGPIP > OxCF5E 16bit, LSB, Raw (360* = 8cyl)(720* = 4cyl)
AIR_DOWN_CAL - 0xBCDD, 8bit, Raw
SIGKLU - 0xBB1C 16bit, LSB, Raw
SIGKLL - 0xBB1A 16bit, LSB, Raw
MHPFD - 0xC692 16bit, LSB, Raw
SPKSWL - 0xCA02 16bit, LSB, Raw
SPKSWH - 0xCA04 16bit, LSB, Raw
PACSLO - 0xCA12 16bit, LSB, Raw
ENGCYL - 0xC688 8bit, Raw
VMAFPIPLMT - 0xDEA0 16bit, LSB, Raw

Here is a list of the things I had to change in order to use CBAZA to run my 2.3 4cyl...

Uncovering these would be of value... in my opinion anyway...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17062

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17706#p98719

DEGPIP - 4 cyl
IGN_TYPE - TFI
SPKSWL - 1307
SPKSWH - 1307 (does it matter what they are, as long as they are the same?)
HP_CID - NO (I didn't change this)
VMAFPIPLMT - 50 (I wasn't sure what to put here?)
NUMCYL - 4cyl
PACSLO - 5 (I wasn't sure what to put here?)
ENGCYL - 4cyl
SIGKLU - 4 or 6 cyl
SIGKLL - 4 or 6 cyl
AIR_MAN_VOL - 4 (wasn't sure what to put here?)
MHPFD - 4cyl
THRMHP - NO (I have removed all emissions)
PFEHP - NO (I have removed all emissions)
NUMHEGO - One
AIR_DOWN_CAL - DownEdge
SARCHG - 140

Injector Firing Order & Injector Output Port are not accessible.
The strategy says they are blocked by NUMCYL.
Is it safe to assume these are properly configured as soon as I made the NUMCYL change?

[vristang]

Wow
I have a couple days off coming up, so I will try these out and get back with confirmation of functionality.

Thank you,
jason

[decipha]

quick question, instead of beating your head against the wall and trying to decipha all these values why don't you just spend the $25 and get the full cbaza def? will save you a bunch of grief and it has much more than you'll want to figure out yourself in it

[TwistedTwins]

Good question Decipha, I do need to qualify my answer first by saying I have a lot of respect for Clint and Derek for what they have built with BE and EA and Derek with the def files. They are a great product for a lot of people that want to open up a computer and start tuning. That being said, this combination does not work for me for a several reasons.

1) I don't like having an encrypted BIN file, it does not allow me to move to another tuning package at will like having a plain old BIN file does. If I spend the time to setup a nice tune, I want it to be mine to use.
2) The way the Licenses are setup for BE are more restrictive than I like, as opposed to Tuner Pro where I can download and install on any computer , use it on any hardware etc.
3) For me, the whole point of DIY EEC tuning is learning about the system and how it works, with the encrypted files, that is not possible, it is all locked down.
4) I like the interface of Tuner Pro a bit better than BE.

All of that being said, I understand why BE is set up the way it is, and I have no problem with it, but it is just not the product for me. At this point, I have my CBAZA def file with probably about 99% of the items that I need to do the tune like I want, if I find something I want to change it currently takes me around 5 -10 min to find parameters that I want to add.

quick question, instead of beating your head against the wall and trying to decipha all these values why don't you just spend the $25 and get the full cbaza def? will save you a bunch of grief and it has much more than you'll want to figure out yourself in it

[decipha]

i completely agree with your sentiment, encrypted files are a pain more times than not, me personally im all for open source, hence why i tend to spread as much knowledge as i can

[phutch11]

Bringing back an oldie...

I have zero knowledge on how defs work, so I apologize if this is really basic, but how exactly do I add these parameters to my CBAZA def - either the BE def (.xls) or TP? I'm especially interested in the Z_AFR.

Thanks

[XantheFIN]

Nevermind. Found it.