The new racecar went to it's first race last weekend. It's an endurance car, so we typically race 16 hours for a single race. We made it about 6 hours in, and popped a motor. We spent Saturday evening swapping motors, and ran about 4 hours Sunday. Now we're trying to figure out why the first motor went.
Initially, the car started making some metallic rattling noise. It didn't sound deep enough to be bottom end related. And the noise would go away with the right about of throttle and rpms. We pulled valve covers to make sure something wasn't loose in the valvetrain. All that looked good. If it was in the bottom end, and making that noise, it was too late anyways. So, we put the valve covers back on, and sent the car back out. It made it half a lap, and popped.
I know some of the guys on this forum have a lot of experience with motors in general. Can anyone see much from the pictures below? We were having lots of fuel starving issues due to a terrible fuel pickup in the fuel cell. The tune was also not dialed in at all. Thought we had played the tune conservative by fatting up the fuel, stock timing, and lower rev limit.
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Why Did This Motor Let Go? Pictures Inside.
2001 SVT Lightning
-0/4/6# Lower, Ported SC, EGR delete, C&L Plenum and Elbow, LT headers, Hi-Flow Cats, Bassani cat-back, BE/QH, POPS MNAE0 strategy
2003 SVT Focus
-Mostly stock drivetrain, Lots of suspension mods
1998 SVT Contour
-3L Swapped Beater
!990 Geo Metro
-Ford Duratec 3L in the back (LeMons race car)
-0/4/6# Lower, Ported SC, EGR delete, C&L Plenum and Elbow, LT headers, Hi-Flow Cats, Bassani cat-back, BE/QH, POPS MNAE0 strategy
2003 SVT Focus
-Mostly stock drivetrain, Lots of suspension mods
1998 SVT Contour
-3L Swapped Beater
!990 Geo Metro
-Ford Duratec 3L in the back (LeMons race car)
Re: Why Did This Motor Let Go? Pictures Inside.
I think the fuel starvation you mentioned pretty much sums it up.AaronDC wrote:
We were having lots of fuel starving issues due to a terrible fuel pickup in the fuel cell. The tune was also not dialed in at all. Thought we had played the tune conservative by fatting up the fuel, stock timing, and lower rev limit.
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2003 Mach 1 - CoreTuning RYAK1/ZYA2 QH Tuned, Borla Atak Cat Back, Long Tubes/Off Road X-Pipe, Twin 65mm TB, JLT CAI, ICT Billet Intake Spacer, BMR Tubular K-Member and A-arms, Maximum Motorsports coil overs with Bilstein Suspension, Steeda Adj. Rear Upper/Lower Control Arms, QA1 Bump Steer, Steeda Short Throw Shifter, WOT Box, 315/35/17's.
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Re: Why Did This Motor Let Go? Pictures Inside.
Did lean cause that or detonation? Or was it just stock components that got pushed beyond their limits?
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Re: Why Did This Motor Let Go? Pictures Inside.
Guessing this is a LeMons car?
Metallic rattling that goes away at certain throttle/RPM conditions is almost always detonation. It can be caused from running too lean and too much ignition timing.
It looks like the center piston there is what broke first. Either from detonation pounding it, or perhaps the piston pin was a little loose and it just hammered the piston apart.
Metallic rattling that goes away at certain throttle/RPM conditions is almost always detonation. It can be caused from running too lean and too much ignition timing.
It looks like the center piston there is what broke first. Either from detonation pounding it, or perhaps the piston pin was a little loose and it just hammered the piston apart.
Re: Why Did This Motor Let Go? Pictures Inside.
Nice to see another nutcase here. We're running a 1987 Mustang that was an ITB car in SCCA in a previous life. It now has a 2.3t in it. We've did 3 races with it last year (NJMP, Summit Point and VIR 24). We go to Monticello next weekend.
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Re: Why Did This Motor Let Go? Pictures Inside.
That motor was to rich,over timed, with to hot of a spark plug, and the fuel was not cold enough.
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