Injectors again

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Tue May 20, 2008 6:23 pm

Okay, so I ordered some injector bungs off ebay. Says they work wiuth "standard Bosch" injectors. I have a set of stock ford injectors I planned to use for mock-up. Are these not Bosh style?

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:01 pm

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:09 pm

Well then I'm hosed, cause they wont fit the bungs. Not a huge deal... I tried to get a deal on bungs and it didnt work. Lesson learned.

Post by **cgrey8** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:25 pm

What kind of intake are you drilling to get injectors into?

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:26 pm

Ford are Bosch injectors - isn't that what you wanted to hear - or did you ask a negative question?

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:39 pm

It is a carb intake. Gonna drill and weld in bungs for the injectors to each runner.

Stock Ford injectors LOOK to be EV6? They look just like the EV6 in the FRPP catalog. Are EV1 and EV6 intended to be interchangeable?

Post by **cgrey8** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:59 pm

No. EV1 is what was used up to about 95. In 96, EV6 was more prevolent. There is some overlap from vehicle to vehicle. The most distinctive difference between them is the connector. If you are using a Mustang harness from 89-93, then you'll need EV1 injectors OR EV6 with converter adapters OR solder on EV6 connectors to your injector harness.

I've heard the EV6 injectors are actually a good bit better with improved spray pattern characteristics as compared to EV1, but I don't know that for sure.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:07 pm

Okay, so what are these yellow injectors I have? Body style looks EV6... plug style looks EV1.

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 21, 2008 6:44 am

Those look like the Explorer injectors that are EV6, but have EV1 injector connections...like what's on my motor.

I should've mentioned that there were hybrid injectors of this type especially since I have them myself. Here's another pic of various injectors that also seems to confirm this:

Notice the Navigator ran EV6 24lb injectors stock that have the EV1 connector. And that 17lb injector at the top is obviously EV6, but with an EV1 connector.

In 99, Ford quit including these on Explorer V8s and instead installed 100% EV6 17lb (ivory) injectors. Since the Explorer motor wasn't maxing out the 19s, I guess they found they could get a better spray pattern from a smaller injector??? Or maybe it had to do with converting to a return-less fuel system the same year.

These oddball injectors seem to have sizes other than 17, 19, and 24. This chart shows that the EV6 with EV1 connectors were also available in 30s and 34s from FMS:

But from what I understand, the injector bung is very similar in diameter to the hole the older injectors used. Although according to the very blurry numbers above, it appears the EV6s were just a tad smaller, but not by much. I've heard of countless people using the EV1 injectors in Explorer lower intakes that were stock with those EV6 injectors.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 7:59 am

The vendor contacted me back last night - great guy. He sent me ohotos of EV1 injectors installed in his bungs... which is GOOD, since that is what I was planning on running.

You da man! Where can I send you a case of cheap American beer? :)

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:59 am

Cantedvalve wrote:.

You da man! Where can I send you a case of cheap American beer? :)

He probably doesn't drink - send it to me instead because "yep" was the correct answer :p

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:59 am

Deal :)

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:07 am

Karl, ur takin' mah Beer? That's cool. Ur right, I don't drink. It's not a religious choice or anything like that. I just never acquired a taste for beer or hard alcohol.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:31 pm

Tell you what... find me some of those 60lb EV1 injectors and I will buy you the best milk I can find!

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:56 pm

Here's the next best thing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Siemens- ... enameZWD1V

60lb EV6 injectors with EV1 connectors.

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:09 pm

They look like mini-bazookas!

For beer, I liked Kirin, but they sold out. Maybe a good old-fashioned Guinness stout in those special foaming cans.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:52 pm

I wish I had one of those to test fit. I wonder if those are stock to any particular application (that body style). Those are DIFFERENT than the Explorer ones I photographed earlier I think... hard to tell since they are black.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:54 pm

Cougar5.0 wrote:They look like mini-bazookas!

For beer, I liked Kirin, but they sold out. Maybe a good old-fashioned Guinness stout in those special foaming cans.

Special foaming cans? BRILLIANT!

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:01 pm

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:45 pm

Cantedvalve wrote:I wish I had one of those to test fit. I wonder if those are stock to any particular application (that body style). Those are DIFFERENT than the Explorer ones I photographed earlier I think... hard to tell since they are black.

I saw them for sale on eBay for one at a time. So if you wanted to buy just 1, you could. Then if it worked, buy 7 more later. The catch is, there are not that many places that actually sell them individually like that. So to buy just 7 later might cost more than finding a place to just buy 8.

But if you wanted to test-fit them that way, that looks like an option.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:51 pm

They LOOK like they would fit. The problem with the Explorer ones was that they werent perfectly round, so the injector body wouldnt go down in the bung as far as it needed to. The actual orifice where the o-ring fits was the right size. I suppose I could cut down the bung, but that isnt really what I wanted to do.

Maybe I can get this guy to send me one, and if it fits, buy the set? Cant hurt to ask!

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:01 pm

Post up a pic of that bung.

I'm curious as to what the benefit of the bung is vs just drilling out the intake to accept the injector directly? I've seen people modify old Ford FE aluminum intakes to be injected and that's all they did. But since I've never done this kind of work, I thought I'd ask just to see what the benefit is.

I'll have to find the pic of the guy a few months ago that is doing that conversion to an FE.

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:54 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 03842&rd=1

I cant imagine just drilling a carb intake for injectors... I woudlnt think the intake runners were thick enough.

Cougar5.0 · Post by **Cougar5.0** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:14 pm

Cantedvalve wrote:
I cant imagine just drilling a carb intake for injectors... I woudlnt think the intake runners were thick enough.

Yeah, that sounds insane to me too.

Post by **cgrey8** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:31 pm

You are right, that Ford FE Big Block I was thinking of did have injector bungs:

<--Click the image

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:42 pm

That is exactly what I am going to do, with the exception of using a carb-style throttle body instead of an elbow with a EFI style throttle body.

Screw in bungs... that's something new.

BobCat · Post by **BobCat** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:32 pm

http://www.racetronix.com/ they have both styles of the 60lb high Z injectors

Cantedvalve · Post by **Cantedvalve** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:20 am

Thanks! I have them linked now.

I wonder if the short Siemens would work instead of the long Siemens? They look identical... just shorter. I could lower the fuel rails... make it more stealthy...

or not :)

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